Flop Flush, Can We Continue on the Turn?
Pretty deepstack 1/2 game where its not uncommon for 5-6 players to see every flop, even $20 pre-flop. In the BB with Q6s and player in early position makes it $20 to go and there are five callers already. You decide to call.
Flop comes 9s5s2s.
You come out betting $60 and get two instant callers. Turn is 10s.
You decide to check and see what kind of action the turn brings. Player A bets $100, and is re-raised to $220 by Player B. Easy fold? What do you put these two players on? You have about $500 behind and Player A has about $800 and Player B has about $200 behind.
Flop comes 9s5s2s.
You come out betting $60 and get two instant callers. Turn is 10s.
You decide to check and see what kind of action the turn brings. Player A bets $100, and is re-raised to $220 by Player B. Easy fold? What do you put these two players on? You have about $500 behind and Player A has about $800 and Player B has about $200 behind.
Comments
- 100 dollar guy holds As, 220 guy is empty
- 100 dollar guy is empty, 220 guy is holding As
- 100 dollar guy is empty, 220 guy is trying to buy the pot
- 100 dollar guy is holding As, 220 guy is trying some bad pot control move with Ks cause he doesn't know where he's at
- 100 dollar guy is holding Ks, 220 guy is holding As
- 100 dollar guy is holding Ks, 220 guy is trying to rep As
In 4 out of 6 scenarios you're fucked, but there's more. Even if you have the best hand and put in 500 bucks, they're gonna fold everything you beat. Even if you coldcall turn you're just praying that they don't have it and will fire a bluff at the river and everytime you're beat you've just put in that last 500 drawing dead since you argubly have to call river if you call turn. My 2 cents, playing suited trash out of position in bloated pots gets you into trouble but as played, I would fold
I like to bet my hand on the flop to not give a potential free card. Guess I could have raised a little more. Hoping an A or K will chase their flush, pushing might make it too expensive for a chaser.
Initial raiser is fairly loose pre-flop but much tighter post. The re-raiser can have any two cards pre but won't raise unless he has something decent post.
On this board having a set and being empty is pretty much the same thing, and there aren't any flushes to draw to anymore. Betting 100 dollars on a set here could occur, but thats basically turning your hand into a bluff
What is your definition of empty?
I figure anyone holding As or Ks is drawing to a flush, no?
You broke down the possible hands out there, I thought a set is a def possibility.
ok, little more details. I folded, figuring I was behind a bigger flush given the action on the turn. Player A calls the $120 and the river was a blank (didn't pair the board). Action goes check/check.
Wouldn't you like a free card instead of folding after donating 60?
I highly doubt it gets checked around for that free card, but if the free card comes and doesn't give another spade, you still have one more street to get chips in.
you said it got checked down, what won? your hand some how would of held up?
Its not a free card for me realistically. If a non-spade came on the turn, I am likely betting pot. If someone slow played a better flush, well played.
going to the turn for free also conceals the strength of your hand and I think you are certain to get paid off if turn misses another spade.
upon further review of the hand I think optimal choice is checking looking to reraise all in. If checks around, your hand can improve with a non spade or you can get away cheap if a 4th spade turns.
Why pot size on turn but not on the flop?
$60 into $100 on flop seemed ok. Don't really like the check raise as any As or Ks is checking as well for the free card. No guarantee someone is raising the flop. Granted a $60 bet is not getting them out of the hand. I find suited flops don't get a lot of action.
No way with the action pre will someone check back this flop with that much money in the pot. Someone with any nut spade draw or some sort of connection with that flop will be betting.
Limped pot I can see people checking back flops but not in a raised pot.
I personally don't like the 60 dollar bet as your driving out action and any action you keep in will get you into trouble in later street.
So you are in the check raise camp?
Yeah based on the action pre, if it was a limped pot then I see merit in betting out to build a pot as most people will come along
how does any action we get get us in trouble on later streets?
That's 1/2 for you.
I think he means the amount will give chaser odds to call. Trouble is when the chaser calls and hits.
Any chance the raise and re raise got someone holding As to fold? Do you think small flush calls if you re raise your 500? 2 pair calls?
Thinking anyone calling 60 on that flop essentially is drawing to hand to will beat you.
We're clearly not looking to end this hand on the flop if we're calling to hit our miracle. There can't be more than 10-15 or so scarecards for us, I wouldn't say any action we get puts us in trouble