Live 1-2$ Interesting hand
1-2$ live cashgame at Montreal Casino.
I have about 350$ in front of me.
I'm UTG with Ac5c and I decide to limp.
UTG+1 makes it 13$ total,
Call, call, Sb calls, I call.
Flop: 4c-4d-2C
-fd + gutshot str flush
c-c to pre Raiser bets 20$, fold, call. Sb min-raises to 40$ (and he's a solid player, has about 350$ also). I tank for a good minute.......
What's the best play here ?
I have about 350$ in front of me.
I'm UTG with Ac5c and I decide to limp.
UTG+1 makes it 13$ total,
Call, call, Sb calls, I call.
Flop: 4c-4d-2C
-fd + gutshot str flush
c-c to pre Raiser bets 20$, fold, call. Sb min-raises to 40$ (and he's a solid player, has about 350$ also). I tank for a good minute.......
What's the best play here ?
Comments
Btw, I wouldn't put much value on hitting the straight flush.
Congrats. You are oop chasing a flush draw on a paired board.
Fold pre.
Nit
Fold
Then essentially you are stacking off. And for all you know the turn completes both hands and you are drawing dead.
The PF raiser calls 20$, other guy called 20$.
Turn Q of clubs.
first to act bets about 110$, PF raiser folds, other guy calls.
River: 3 of clubs !!
all-in/call
The flop min-raiser had 89 of clubs and other guy had J4... A check-min-raise agaist multiple players on the flop doesn'T really look like a FD
It's really a player dependent spot but in a vacuum it's a fold
I likely call in this spot and see what the initial raiser does. If he just calls and I miss the turn, then I revaluate based on subsequent bets. If either of these guys had boats on the flop, would they want to chase you out of the hand?
So you discount the odds on the turn after you call a min raise flop bet and fold to the turn based on another bet?
I think you can look deeper into this hand specifically and figure out how many 4X combos the villian would be playing and especially in a limped pot pre its hard to determine what card on the turn is going to help you.
Bet size on turn is not as important as what hand range you give your opponent as in this case it is clear that villian has a 4 and we just need to figure out the other hole card.
As an example I will assign 24,34,45,46,47,a4 as hand holdings to start.
So with that in mind if I call a min raise on the flop and any other card comes on the turn other than those specific ranges I am most likely calling any bet if I believe villian doesn't not have a full house either flopped or made on the turn.
He has already made a dumb min raise on the flop so most likely the bet sizing on the turn will be messed as well giving us 4,5,6-1 to make the call etc.
Even worse is if villian pot bets the turn because for sure now you know he hasn't hit the turn and still has a naked 4 and with certain effective stacks and players it is worth it to call a pot bet on the turn knowing very well if you hit the river you are getting paid by most 4s because they can't fold. (Especially if they bet the turn)