flopped set, raise or call on the turn?
I was playing zoom pkr yesterday and got felted once during my play, so it got me curious of what I could of done differently. The only info that I had on the villain is that he was running good given his stack and his table position. On the flop I put him top pair or maybe 88+. I know this is a cooler, but should I have played it this way?
PokerStars - $0.10 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: PokerTracker
BTN: $4.20
Hero (SB): $10.51
BB: $16.68
UTG: $22.79
UTG+1: $10.82
MP: $26.92
MP+1: $3.23
LP: $3.07
CO: $31.42
Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 7d 7c
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.15, fold
Flop: ($0.50, 2 players) Jd 2c 7h
Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24
Turn: ($0.98, 2 players) Tc
Hero checks, CO bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.40, CO raises to $30.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.67 and is all-in
River: ($21.12, 2 players) Ah
Hero shows 7d 7c (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 51%, Flop 83%, Turn 23%)
CO shows 8c 9c (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 49%, Flop 17%, Turn 77%)
CO wins $20.17
PokerStars - $0.10 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: PokerTracker
BTN: $4.20
Hero (SB): $10.51
BB: $16.68
UTG: $22.79
UTG+1: $10.82
MP: $26.92
MP+1: $3.23
LP: $3.07
CO: $31.42
Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 7d 7c
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, fold, Hero calls $0.15, fold
Flop: ($0.50, 2 players) Jd 2c 7h
Hero checks, CO bets $0.24, Hero calls $0.24
Turn: ($0.98, 2 players) Tc
Hero checks, CO bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.40, CO raises to $30.98 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.67 and is all-in
River: ($21.12, 2 players) Ah
Hero shows 7d 7c (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 51%, Flop 83%, Turn 23%)
CO shows 8c 9c (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 49%, Flop 17%, Turn 77%)
CO wins $20.17
Comments
I think I just found your problem. Everyone gets felted at times
yeah, I think you are. From the sound of it you crushed 10NL yesterday
If analyzing your failures is a problem then I guess I should get some serious professional help!
Pre I don't think this is a clear cut call. What is your plan for the hand? Vs most players you will not be able to profitably set mine, so you will have to play your hand for it's value as a pair of sevens alone. I don't like to this vs unknowns, so I think the best choice is to fold. Also if you are to play it is very likely that three betting is more profitable than calling.
On the flop, and this will seem somewhat results oriented, but you have a clear check raise. I would be more inclined to slowplay top set, but even then I will usually raise it. Just last night I lost a full buy in almost exactly the same way you lost here (except i checked flop w/ initiative).
You should not slowplay. Better to never slowplay than to do so frequently. The conditions for an appropriate slow play are :
pot is small,
your hand is virtually unbeatable,
your opponent is likely to catch a second best hand...
skalansky outlines some more that I cannot presently recollect. It is far wiser to slow play top boat or quads than a set or trips. In your defense it was a dry board. Also if you are to raise someone post flop, better to do so @ 3/4s pot or full pot than 1/6th pot or w/e a min raise works out to.
you sir, are acting like an idiot for this comment and it's context
it's not that much of an overbet, it's something like 7,5 dollars into 5 if I'm not mistaken. If anything this makes him look weaker, a random 10NL player, and a random 10NL big stack at that can probably have 10J, AJ, any overpair and maybe even KQ here if he's crazy enough
The moral of this thread is that he won like 6 BI's in a night and stacked off with a decent sized set at micro stakes on a fucking sunday. How could anyone fault that
Yah, I know it's pocket change, but I need to keep it in perspective! If I think about as a micro game I will forget about the game just go haywire. It's not about
money, its about learning. I maybe wasting my time playing this level when I can afford higher levels, but why no keep it cheap while learning.
Also in response to the over bet post from you that's another thing I'm focused on, thinking it out a little longer in these scenarios! so thx.
The other big problem is you have like five seconds to make a decision in this situation which can be a big factor. You don't have a lot of time to play back the hand, versus live.
So true, this is also another reason why I like zoom lol (almost called it rush) it's the same for you opponents
Am I? Do you think Bobby Fischer ever let any defeat or temporary set back ever go unanalyzed the nth degree? You should never be afraid or unwilling to lose pots but the more analysis you do of your own game the better. It's right not to just let the loss go. That's what the real fish do... they don't care, they just want the pleasure, the immediate gratification of winning a pot. My tone was a little bit over the top, to be sure - sarcasm is cheap.
edit: I probaby overreacted a bit but I didn't feel like I implied that you shouldn't care about the hands that felt you
it does, trust me.
lol, classy