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UnknownUnknown
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hero with about 25 bbs ep/mp antes in play now......

hero 2.2x's 36s same villain (well covers me) in other hand min raises from mp/lp....im used to folding oop but can i flat this ?

not much info im giving but its more of a generally question....

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  • The HighflyerThe Highflyer
    With 25bbs I would be tighter and not raise these types of hands from mp, only lp, exactly because of these situations.
    In regards to the question, if you flat you will be left w/ 20bb's and oop. For the most part needing to hit the flop as villain (well covers you) will c bet putting you into a position of push/fold as you won't be able to chase w/ your stack.

    So really I would ask myself what range would he do this with pre and knowing that is it worth getting involved knowing how hard you need to hit the flop for it to be profitable?
  • Scotty12Scotty12
    I like to fold twice in this hand. You're really handcuffed by your stacksize, #s of players behind and the craptasticness of 36s which makes me like an openmuck. Once you've opened + been 3bet you win the pot such a tiny % of the time oop that you are far better off folding instead of throwing more good $ in after bad
  • UnknownUnknown
    did i mention im sooooted tho???
  • Richard~Richard~
    with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it
  • UnknownUnknown
    Richard~ wrote: »
    with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it
    what if were pretty confident that no one will exploit it.....and the we have the type of image of a begginer nit....
  • UnknownUnknown
    Richard~ wrote: »
    with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it
    sorry just to reiterate to all the question is...can we flat pre ever? ^-^
  • Richard~Richard~
    sure you can, the rest is up to you though
  • Scotty12Scotty12
    darbday wrote: »
    sorry just to reiterate to all the question is...can we flat pre ever? ^-^

    If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?
  • UnknownUnknown
    Why do u want to play oop tho
  • Richard~Richard~
    Scotty12 wrote: »
    If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?

    Indeed we do imo, I'm not folding for 1,2 BB's
  • UnknownUnknown
    Scotty12 wrote: »
    If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?
    i want to stop here and say i agree and respect your posts...don't ever stop...ima rail you and others on this situation and topic tho.
  • Richard~Richard~
    his minraise smells like a fairly strong AJish hand who wants to iso your in his eyes supoer small open. Not matter how you want to play it out postflop your stack is 20x your investment which is good enough implied odds for most situations
  • ryanghallryanghall
    Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
  • UnknownUnknown
    ryanghall wrote: »
    Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    because i play micro 180's and its a profitable open....i had a really tight image. knowing a lot of players are tightening up at this point i felt like it was a good spot....i can easily fold to any 3bet but ive never been min raised back....
  • ryanghallryanghall
    darbday wrote: »
    because i play micro 180's

    This would be fantastic info to put in the topic! Why does nobody post buyins here?

    Still not sold that you're profitable opening it, btw, but w/e. Fold.
  • UnknownUnknown
    ryanghall wrote: »
    This would be fantastic info to put in the topic! Why does nobody post buyins here?

    Still not sold that you're profitable opening it, btw, but w/e. Fold.
    no this is a live tourney with a 1k buy in...but the players play like the micros just way tighter....im not sold either....but ya...fol.d....
  • ILike2PlayILike2Play
    FOLD, you could just get into a really ugly spot
  • UnknownUnknown
    ILike2Play wrote: »
    FOLD, you could just get into a really ugly spot
    I am ugly spot
  • UnknownUnknown
    ryanghall wrote: »
    Still not sold that you're profitable opening it, btw, but w/e. Fold.
    Do these help my case tho......



    Poker Stars, $2.28 + $0.22 NL Hold'em Tournament, 800/1,600 Blinds, 150 Ante, 6 Players
    LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

    SB: 23,513
    BB: 26,206
    UTG: 12,420
    JodaB. (MP): 26,040
    CO: 19,149
    BTN: 40,600

    Pre-Flop: (3,300) 4diamondnormal.gif 7heartnormal.gif dealt to JodaB. (MP)
    UTG folds, JodaB. raises to 3,200, 2 folds, SB calls 2,400, BB folds

    Flop: (8,900) 2heartnormal.gif 8heartnormal.gif 2clubnormal.gif (2 Players)
    SB bets 1,600, JodaB. calls 1,600

    Turn: (12,100) Kclubnormal.gif (2 Players)
    SB bets 1,600, JodaB. raises to 4,800, SB calls 3,200

    River: (21,700) Qheartnormal.gif (2 Players)
    SB checks, JodaB. bets 16,290 and is All-In, SB folds

    Results: 21,700 Pot
    JodaB. showed 4diamondnormal.gif 7heartnormal.gif and WON 21,700 (+12,100 NET)





    Poker Stars, $2.28 + $0.22 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 50 Ante, 8 Players
    LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

    BTN: 7,740
    SB: 2,250
    BB: 1,374
    UTG: 4,909
    UTG+1: 11,418
    MP1: 7,400
    MP2: 9,467
    JodaB. (CO): 15,977

    Pre-Flop: (1,300) 7diamondnormal.gif 2heartnormal.gif dealt to JodaB. (CO)
    4 folds, JodaB. raises to 1,200, 2 folds, BB raises to 1,324 and is All-In, JodaB. calls 124

    Flop: (3,348) 9spadenormal.gif Qspadenormal.gif Qclubnormal.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

    Turn: (3,348) 6heartnormal.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

    River: (3,348) 4diamondnormal.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

    Results: 3,348 Pot
    BB showed Jclubnormal.gif 7spadenormal.gif and WON 3,348 (+2,624 NET)
    JodaB. showed 7diamondnormal.gif 2heartnormal.gif and LOST (-1,324 NET)


    Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 400/800 Blinds, 75 Ante, 6 Players
    LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

    SB: 7,784
    BB: 5,469
    UTG: 14,714
    JodaB. (MP): 17,770
    CO: 13,837
    BTN: 6,664

    Pre-Flop: (1,650) 2spadenormal.gif 8diamondnormal.gif dealt to JodaB. (MP)
    UTG folds, JodaB. raises to 1,600, 3 folds, BB calls 800

    Flop: (4,050) 5heartnormal.gif 3spadenormal.gif 9heartnormal.gif (2 Players)
    BB checks, JodaB. bets 16,095 and is All-In, BB folds

    Results: 4,050 Pot
    JodaB. showed 2spadenormal.gif 8diamondnormal.gif and WON 4,050 (+2,450 NET)



    PokerStars Game #70925218652: Tournament #472556091, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2011/11/21 14:28:39 PT [2011/11/21 17:28:39 ET]
    Table '472556091 18' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: the1uk2010 (28942 in chips)
    Seat 2: MrC Hungary (9756 in chips)
    Seat 3: MondiRay (24171 in chips)
    Seat 4: skattetøz (40941 in chips)
    Seat 5: ntenis1964 (41234 in chips)
    Seat 6: Lemur86 (18771 in chips)
    Seat 7: kasinhas (28463 in chips)
    Seat 8: Gilal65 (31568 in chips)
    Seat 9: forboon (46154 in chips)
    the1uk2010: posts the ante 300
    MrC Hungary: posts the ante 300
    MondiRay: posts the ante 300
    skattetøz: posts the ante 300
    ntenis1964: posts the ante 300
    Lemur86: posts the ante 300
    kasinhas: posts the ante 300
    Gilal65: posts the ante 300
    forboon: posts the ante 300
    the1uk2010: posts small blind 1500
    MrC Hungary: posts big blind 3000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to forboon [7c 6d]
    MondiRay: folds
    skattetøz: folds
    ntenis1964: folds
    Lemur86: folds
    kasinhas: folds
    Gilal65: folds
    forboon: raises 3000 to 6000
    the1uk2010: folds
    MrC Hungary: folds
    Uncalled bet (3000) returned to forboon
    forboon collected 10200 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10200 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: the1uk2010 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: MrC Hungary (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: MondiRay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: skattetøz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: ntenis1964 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Lemur86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: kasinhas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Gilal65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: forboon (button) collected (10200)







    PokerStars Game #70910313841: Tournament #472429326, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2011/11/21 10:30:55 PT [2011/11/21 13:30:55 ET]
    Table '472429326 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 2: klimentijus (29746 in chips)
    Seat 3: forboon (56547 in chips)
    Seat 5: olecool (4505 in chips)
    Seat 6: ZanOl (30881 in chips)
    Seat 9: Ðevid (16590 in chips)
    klimentijus: posts the ante 200
    forboon: posts the ante 200
    olecool: posts the ante 200
    ZanOl: posts the ante 200
    Ðevid: posts the ante 200
    ZanOl: posts small blind 1000
    Ðevid: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to forboon [2s Qh]
    klimentijus: folds
    forboon: calls 2000
    olecool: raises 2305 to 4305 and is all-in
    ZanOl: folds
    Ðevid: calls 2305
    forboon: raises 52042 to 56347 and is all-in
    Ðevid: folds
    Uncalled bet (52042) returned to forboon
    *** FLOP *** [8d Th 7d]
    *** TURN *** [8d Th 7d] [2h]
    *** RIVER *** [8d Th 7d 2h] [Jc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    forboon: shows [2s Qh] (a pair of Deuces)
    olecool: shows [Kh Qc] (high card King)
    forboon collected 14915 from pot
    olecool finished the tournament in 11th place and received $4.92.
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 14915 | Rake 0
    Board [8d Th 7d 2h Jc]
    Seat 2: klimentijus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: forboon showed [2s Qh] and won (14915) with a pair of Deuces
    Seat 5: olecool (button) showed [Kh Qc] and lost with high card King
    Seat 6: ZanOl (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Ðevid (big blind) folded before Flop


    Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
    LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

    UTG+1: 1,500
    JodaB. (UTG+2): 3,010
    MP1: 1,410
    MP2: 1,620
    CO: 10
    BTN: 1,470
    SB: 1,814
    BB: 1,500
    UTG: 1,166

    Pre-Flop: (30) 6heartnormal.gif Jheartnormal.gif dealt to JodaB. (UTG+2)
    2 folds, JodaB. raises to 45, 2 folds, CO calls 10 and is All-In, 3 folds

    Flop: (60) 7heartnormal.gif 2diamondnormal.gif 8heartnormal.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


    Turn: (60) Kheartnormal.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


    River: (60) 6clubnormal.gif (2 Players - 1 is All-In)


    Results: 60 Pot
    JodaB. showed 6heartnormal.gif Jheartnormal.gif and WON 60 (+40 NET)
    CO showed 3spadenormal.gif 4heartnormal.gif and LOST (-10 NET)
  • reibsreibs
    ugh, wtf is all of this?!

    Just when I thought I was starting to understand batman's theories....

    Is this funny to you? ;)
  • UnknownUnknown
    reibs wrote: »

    Is this funny to you? ;)
    .....ummm.......ya? :confused:


    edit:...I'm not showing my hands tho its just the replayer......
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    nhs
  • reibsreibs
    darbday wrote: »
    edit:...I'm not showing my hands tho its just the replayer......

    Ya I dunno why it always does this... I figured out a while back that its an error with the converter

    See the 72o I dont get at all... with the blinds being shorties, how can atc open be profitable? Thought you were questioning my 72o open bvb in the other thread???
  • UnknownUnknown
    reibs wrote: »

    See the 72o I dont get at all... with the blinds being shorties, how can atc open be profitable? Thought you were questioning my 72o open bvb in the other thread???
    72o is about 2 to 1 dog vs atc......im getting almost 3 to 1 in the pot....

    sometimes bb folds...:confused:
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