Milo takes the plunge
First some explaining, then some back ground, then the pay-off, and then some questions.
I have not figured out how to get the HH from Winner poker, so I am typing it off the site.
Villain has been aggressive with most Ax hands, has shown a couple bluffs, including getting me to fold a better hand at the river. I have been trying to play very disciplined, and have folded a couple hands re-raised preflop. Think I have established a solid image in the 20 minutes or so at the table, but what do I know? So, here goes . . .
Playing NLHE $0.10/$0.20 Blinds, max. buy-in of $20.00. 6 max. table
SB posts - $0.10
BB posts - $0.20
Villain - raise to $0.70 (UTG)
PlayerA - FOLDS
Hero (KK)- raise to $2.40
Folds to Villain who calls the raise. Pot is $5.10
Flop comes - Qd, 8s, 3s,
Villain - checks
Hero - bet $3.82
Villain - calls $3.82. Pot is $12.74
Turn comes Ac
Villain - checks
Hero - checks
River comes 2d. Board is Qd, 8s, 3s, Ac, 2d
Villain - bets $20.47 after letting his timer drop 3/4 of the way to zero.
What do you do and why? I do not have a HUD, so cannot provide any of that info. I will post my thoughts and final decision later.
I have not figured out how to get the HH from Winner poker, so I am typing it off the site.
Villain has been aggressive with most Ax hands, has shown a couple bluffs, including getting me to fold a better hand at the river. I have been trying to play very disciplined, and have folded a couple hands re-raised preflop. Think I have established a solid image in the 20 minutes or so at the table, but what do I know? So, here goes . . .
Playing NLHE $0.10/$0.20 Blinds, max. buy-in of $20.00. 6 max. table
SB posts - $0.10
BB posts - $0.20
Villain - raise to $0.70 (UTG)
PlayerA - FOLDS
Hero (KK)- raise to $2.40
Folds to Villain who calls the raise. Pot is $5.10
Flop comes - Qd, 8s, 3s,
Villain - checks
Hero - bet $3.82
Villain - calls $3.82. Pot is $12.74
Turn comes Ac
Villain - checks
Hero - checks
River comes 2d. Board is Qd, 8s, 3s, Ac, 2d
Villain - bets $20.47 after letting his timer drop 3/4 of the way to zero.
What do you do and why? I do not have a HUD, so cannot provide any of that info. I will post my thoughts and final decision later.
Comments
He could have As-Xs and now has the nut flush and makes an over bet to look like a bluff. The only other hand, besides a flush draw that takes this line is AQ.
Based on previous play, I literally thought it was a coin flip between him having the Ace, or betting with air.
I thought he would have bet the turn, whether he had it or not. The fact that he did not, made me think the Ace was a scare card for him, too.
Without a HuD, it's difficult to say what exactly his range is here, but it definitely includes all the hands Darbday listed. It also likely includes KQ, QJ, possibly QT suited, and most Pocket Pairs.
One question I have is why did you check the turn? If you feel he floated you with an Ace, it's an easy fold at the river. Personally, I'd have led the turn with the intention of getting it in. The reason I ask, is because from his view, it looks like you have JJ or TT. You 3bet pre, cb the flop, check scary turn. Had you bet the turn, you would of commited yourself, taking this option away from him. Unfortunately, I can't come up with a turn bet where you could really fold if he shoves
After an hour of thinking, I don't like this hand at all. It's a reminder of why I don't play 25NL. I would call purely because it's only $12 dollars, and I fail at bankroll management.
KK > Jd/10d
you have to be right more than half...or im wrong...
Try looking at it this way. If we flip a coin, and I give you $2 every time it lands on heads, and you pay me $1 dollar for every tails, you are getting a 2:1 prop. In order for you to break even, you only have to win 33% of all the flips. It's the same in poker, when you are faced with a Pot Sized bet. You have to call 1 Pot Bet to win 2 Pot Bets. So you only have to win 33% of the time to break even.
The 40% I listed above was off the top of my head napkin math, it won't be exact. An interesting note though, is that you will never be in a situation where you have to win more than 50% of the time to be profitable. It's not possible in poker.
i think im thinking when we over bet bluff we need a fold more often than 50% like if we 2x pot it.....can't wrap my brain around it right now tho.....
I think when you check the turn you've turned your hand face up as being KK. While villains does have many AX hands in their range, I think they have more Qx hands in their range that we beat.
I don't put villain on a set here often. Given the draws out there, a villain is more likely to c/r a set on the flop. With the blank river, villain is also more likely to c/r a set for value hoping you have an Ace then over bet pot when the least likely draw gets there.