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the aq debate.....
i think this is a fold or is that crazy....
Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BB: 1,508
UTG: 2,700
UTG+1: 2,504
MP1: 1,320
MP2: 2,345
CO: 1,445
JodaB. (BTN): 1,933
SB: 1,215
Pre-Flop: (150) Q
A
dealt to JodaB. (BTN)
UTG raises to 200, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 600, JodaB. ???
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BB: 1,508
UTG: 2,700
UTG+1: 2,504
MP1: 1,320
MP2: 2,345
CO: 1,445
JodaB. (BTN): 1,933
SB: 1,215
Pre-Flop: (150) Q
A dealt to JodaB. (BTN)UTG raises to 200, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 600, JodaB. ???
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Yes I was talking AQ in general. In this spot it's shove or fold. I would vote fold here without historical reasons to do otherwise..
i can't understand tho because the first guys range has us beat and then 2nds has us crushed.....
sometimes i wonder if this is -ev but the triple up or what likely comes to a 2.5 up is worth more to you becuase you become deepstacked....
but maybe its a no brainer +ev play....
i just think were behind and behinder....
are we saying level as in blind level or skill?
we 35/65 a dog there..... but if the inital rasier folds there some more money in but not enough i don't think.....plus we can add some for bluff...
if the initial rasier calls..... his opening range is kinda pairs and broadway and some suited aces ...but if he calles your 4bet shove....its some what the same range as above....
i could be wrong but i swear its -ev....but ya ive read a triple up is worth more than a double up and to a good player i imagine its worth more....
i wonder if my math is wrong.....or if its right but the deepstack is worth...the gamble.
I am wondering though if you are giving too much credit to the second guy as well though? It is the early stages of an 8 buck game..some strange things are done here..these two guys can simply be thinking that they are big stack and should be playing loosey goosey. Without history, it's tough to say..but..I have been known to spew so I am on the shove side...I think we are ahead here enough, and at this level, I think there is still fold equity to consider.
poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
JodaB. (MP): $27.66
CO: $6.22
BTN: $33.07
SB: $25
BB: $12.07
UTG: $27.88
Pre-Flop: Q
UTG folds, JodaB. raises to $0.66, CO raises to $1.25, 2 folds, BB raises to $4.50, JodaB. raises to $27.66 and is All-In, CO folds, BB calls $7.57 and is All-In
Flop: ($25.49) 9
Turn: ($25.49) K
River: ($25.49) Q
Results: $25.49 Pot ($1.27 Rake)
JodaB. mucked Q
BB showed A
seriuosly tho.....48bbs effective...with no one else to act....and a 3bet in the pot which is quite possibley dead money.....
anyways...were saying the ranges are different then i guess....is it because were counting on spew sometimes from a tourney player?
:-\
but to say theyre tighter thats what i needed to hear thx.
Im not saying AQ sucks by any means but after you do it 3-4 times AQ is an easy easy fold, play a bunch of PLO seeing AQxx, you will get alot less respect for it in holdem I think.
Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 8 Players
CO: 1,456
BTN: 2,230
SB: 1,500
BB: 3,115
UTG: 1,670
UTG+1: 1,375
JodaB. (MP1): 1,500
MP2: 2,890
Pre-Flop: (45) Q
2 folds, JodaB. raises to 67, MP2 folds, CO raises to 160, BTN calls 160, SB folds, BB calls 130, JodaB. raises to 495, CO raises to 1,456 and is All-In