The way I am starting to see it, Cash game PAWNS Tourney poker
Well sort of.
I have been noticing that most of the best tournament players (live), are also great cash game players who are putting in 30-40hrs a week.
You'll never have a night at a cash table like a big tourney score for the same investment, but as even the basic books say, tourney is the gravey, cash is the steak.
Guys like Vekked and Wetts may be the exception, but they are putting in comparable time online. I would also be curious to compare invested dollars from a winning MTT player to a winning cash player. It seems like cash game would have a way better hourly than mtt, unless someone is playing lets say 10 or more a day.
Anyway, I am finding while I find tourney way less stressfull than cash game in terms of you know what you are going to invest, I am also starting to like the fact the cash game just provides so many more options as far as being able to not worry about increasing blinds, being able to wait for better spots, specific opponents and when people are playing bad and stacking you, that usually a reload or two later you can get it back with significant interest. And you can leave when you want.
I will admit flat out though, even 1-2NL can feel huge with the max buys getting bigger and tables often very deep, so this is strictly a home game attitude I am hoping to eventually take more seriously later.
Most likely start back at 4/8 limit and 4/8 Limit DC
Anybody else have thoughts?
I have been noticing that most of the best tournament players (live), are also great cash game players who are putting in 30-40hrs a week.
You'll never have a night at a cash table like a big tourney score for the same investment, but as even the basic books say, tourney is the gravey, cash is the steak.
Guys like Vekked and Wetts may be the exception, but they are putting in comparable time online. I would also be curious to compare invested dollars from a winning MTT player to a winning cash player. It seems like cash game would have a way better hourly than mtt, unless someone is playing lets say 10 or more a day.
Anyway, I am finding while I find tourney way less stressfull than cash game in terms of you know what you are going to invest, I am also starting to like the fact the cash game just provides so many more options as far as being able to not worry about increasing blinds, being able to wait for better spots, specific opponents and when people are playing bad and stacking you, that usually a reload or two later you can get it back with significant interest. And you can leave when you want.
I will admit flat out though, even 1-2NL can feel huge with the max buys getting bigger and tables often very deep, so this is strictly a home game attitude I am hoping to eventually take more seriously later.
Most likely start back at 4/8 limit and 4/8 Limit DC
Anybody else have thoughts?
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Well okay wait that might not be truee..
Ugh Poker is Poker... you can higher highs and lower lows with Tournaments though I feel.
I believe this too, (cash games feed your tournament habit) but after the last few years of watching Tournaments, I find that the guys I see winning also invest a lot into events, which they get all of from the cash tables.
Obv, you ship something for $50,000 plus, pretty hard to match at all but the 25/50 games.
Maybe I should refine this some. Canadian tournaments, with the exception of a few series, forget it. cash games way more profitable for the better players.
I think >$100 and 100 player tourneys are definitely long term losers compared to investing that $100 in cash?
Anyway, the Hendon mob all time Canadian Money lists show that to be in top 1000 tournament players here, pretty much cash for 4k and your in. Top 500, think a half decent 2/5 NL player can match annually. Top 200, best tournament players, don't think many guys will make this playing cash.
That's a really small percentage though...
BAP of the top 1000 Online or 200 Live Canadian FTW?
Playing cash games at my house every two weeks for the last year started this thought and hitting Windsor and taking the bubble prize in one tourney for $50 while making a g-note in the cash games, on my schedule, cemented it. Never mind that most casinos do not comp for tourney hours, whereas cash games are and it seems a no-brainer.
It's my understanding that the MTTs are also supersoft, but I would think that a casual player is not getting enough volume playing live MTTs to ever establish a reliable winrate. If all else were equal then I would choose cash games.
Given that all else is not equal: I love playing 300-500bb deep, I generally never make it to the casino at MTT times due to my schedule, I don't really even enjoy MTTs at all, I can leave when I want, I prefer a steady winrate to the ups and downs of MTTs, etc...you will rarely see me playing a MTT.
Where are these tough low bi MTT tables? I've never seen it.
Oh perhaps you should start here, note role of Dick.
wat?
[ ] making a final table makes me feel sad and lonely.
[ ] making a final table makes me feel good
As for leaving ON Im told its quite worth it and you can get some quality tournament play, now myself of course I leave ON and play a cash game:P
Buzzard's tourneys ($60 entry) where I don't final table, more than make up the entry fee playing cash after busting out.
Westside tourneys (played the last 3 and bubbled the last one), played cash after busting out and doubled the entry fee.
So for me, live cash >> live tournies. Agree with the cash = steak and tourneys = gravy concept.
So . . . $85.00? Doesn't seem like much over 3 years.
Cash games for the money . . . tournies for the fame.
$81.13 cdn
I don't make that much at 2/5.
That being said..I'd never want to play live poker for a living...although I do have what I think is the juiciest 1/2 game here in Fort Mcmurray and have been going there again this week and WOW...plays like 2/5 easily and more spewy than any 1/2 game I've ever played in Edmonton or Vegas.
1 2 down here also plays as big as a Vegas 2 5.
I'm just posting this because I've never before been able to refer to Edmonton as down here.
And when I play live I usually sit down for an hour or two at 1/2 before a tourney and win my buy in.
When I play with peeps on the forum its .50 whatever I hit the casino Im looking for 2-5 or 5-10, perhaps its what your looking to get out of poker too is it fun? Is it going to make you a living?
At this years fallsview classic I skipped events because the cash game was so juicy and instead of dumping 2500 into the event where top 15ish get paid I was able to make 2500 in the cash game.
But then again I enjoy tournaments as they are usually very soft and most tournament players play the same fundamental strategy in which if you understand you can usually catch on quick and exploit. Cash games are a different beast because you don't know how much money they have behind or if they just want to gamble gamble gamble.
FU!
Not you of course, I meant the fields are full of dumb players.
By the way, Nice article in Cardplayer Magazine!
^^ this x 100 if you have kids. The ability to getup and leave at any time is huge!