Final Table Deals
I was reading on another site the topic of final table deals. I thought it was a geat topic. I was wondering what the opinion was from people on this site. I didnt read much of the responses there since the first comment was something like stfu op. I haven't played alot of live mtts but I could imagine this happening frequently. If people do it with a 1st place of 30k, would it not happen alot more in say WSOP events. Would it happen at GBH as an example. I guess it depends on the players and their bankrolls. I look forward to the feedback.
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I don't believe WSOP openly allow chops, could be wrong... Other smaller events it happens quite frequently... I'm not chopping without appropriate value... In fact I'm not likely to chop unless I'm playing with friends or blind/stack ratio is so high as to effectively remove any play.
I used to chop all the time, figuring two in the hand is worth one in the bush.
^ this.
or if my opponents are way better than me, then i might try to chop it if i'm tired and it's late.
if your opponents are better than you you should always be chopping ^^'
I've chopped some fairly big tournaments to reduce varience. Was it -EV? Probably. did I feel the need to gamle for the rest on a limited bankroll when I could take an additional 1000 dollars uncontested? not really
I thought it was a HAMMER.
are you suggesting that if you have double your opponent's chips heads up you should be chopping?
That's where I feel like I have one of the biggest edges I can have ^^'
Very cost effective . . . which is why only an idiot would agree to a chop like that.
Player A has 2,000,000 in chips
Player B has 1,000,000 in chips
1st pays 10k
2nd pays 6k
Why would player B settle for an extra 300? Better to risk losing that 300 (and settling for 6k) for the chance you catch lucky and win the whole 10k.
EDIT: I just realized that 300 is not 5% of 16K. The amount offered in the chop would be more like 800. But that's a minor point.
You would have to have me at a 20:1 defecit and I might still not agree
We actually spoke to the TD at the WSOP while Pudge was at the final table and they said there have been numerous chops at the WSOP. Just they are done off camera. No chop discussion at his event anyways, it was the railbirds who played "Ask Your WSOP TD things you probably won't ever need to know"
For me I been fortunate enough to chop several tournaments in my life and usually it has been after 16-18 hours of play or on the 2nd day of a gruelling live event. My rule for chopping is usually I have a specific money target (obv first place money is the real target but when everyone has 10 BB it becomes bingo), usually I try to move up 2-3 money spots if possible when doing the chop. In live tournaments I like to use my 'nice' guy image to persaude extra money as well. A good idea is to get the short stacks against the big stacks and then throw your two cents in there.
Always good to re-iterate that it is now a bingo tournament and player X is on a heater so we don't want them doubling up 2-3 times and bringing themselves back into it. There is always 1 live player at the final table that is deathly afraid of this improbable event happening and then champions your cause. If you are in the USA it is also a good idea to mention your 30% withholding so you are really upset over the fact you are losing money right away. You can then bargain for a few more bucks or even cut a deal to get someone else to swap the tax with you (if the casino allows it)
I also never initiate the request to chop as then it puts a target on your head. You always want to look like you are playing the specific tournament for shits and giggles and another 2-3 pay jump in the form of a chop doesn't even make you blink.