10/20 chase analysis at BCC
Playing 10/20 LHE at the Brantford Charity Casino. I'm playing tight and have only showed one hand, trip 7's when I flopped the set and got called down to the river. Table has some loose tricky players at it mixed with a few young guys that are similar to my game, tight aggressive.
It's folded to me in MP and i see 10c8c, I like playing middle suited connectors in games like this. I call. Two young, tight, smart players call behind me plus the small and big.
Flop is a dream....
4c 8s 6c
I bet $10, first young player (fyp) raises to $20, second young player (syp) calls. Blinds fold. I re-raise to isolate FYP, he calls and SYP caps it to $40. Hmmm, that didnt work out as planned. I decide to slow down my betting if I dont hit.
Turn Kd
I check, FYP bets, SYP raises to $40. I guess this is the point when I get away from this hand? Do you get away from it here? I don't, I call.
River 10h
Crap, I have two pair. I check. FYP checks and SYP bets, I call FYP calls.
Who wins? Any suggestions on how you think I should have played this hand? Any guesses on what they have?
Thanks
stp
It's folded to me in MP and i see 10c8c, I like playing middle suited connectors in games like this. I call. Two young, tight, smart players call behind me plus the small and big.
Flop is a dream....
4c 8s 6c
I bet $10, first young player (fyp) raises to $20, second young player (syp) calls. Blinds fold. I re-raise to isolate FYP, he calls and SYP caps it to $40. Hmmm, that didnt work out as planned. I decide to slow down my betting if I dont hit.
Turn Kd
I check, FYP bets, SYP raises to $40. I guess this is the point when I get away from this hand? Do you get away from it here? I don't, I call.
River 10h
Crap, I have two pair. I check. FYP checks and SYP bets, I call FYP calls.
Who wins? Any suggestions on how you think I should have played this hand? Any guesses on what they have?
Thanks
stp
Comments
His only calling on the turn was designed to keep you both in on the hand. Once you raised again he realized he had two dance partners anyways, and capped it.
If he has two pair, then i pity the fool
It's folded to me in MP and i see 10c8c, I like playing middle suited connectors in games like this.
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Smells like a leak. You are the first person to act and you have a suited connector. You have no odds for a call and you could be facing a raise down the road. I'm not a fan on suited connectors in limit holdem unless in very LP or in the blinds. There just arent the implied odds that NL gives those hands.
But, if you ARE going to play it I wonder if it wouldnt be better to raise it preflop. You've represented a tight image to the table, so your raise preflop along with a bet on the flop might be good enough to take the pot.
I agree that I should have perhaps raised preflop and often that is my play. This was limit hold em though, not NL. Does that change whether or not you would play this in MP?
stp
Mike
Right, right. I misread it, good point guys. You never play these hands in a similar situation?
I'll play it with a couple limpers in front of me in a limit game as long as I don't expect a raise after, but not as the first one in. NL would depend on a lot of things. How bad the players are, how deep the stacks are to figure my implied odds, as well as my image. If I have a very tight image and the blinds are worth picking up then a raise might be in order, and if I get called and hit the flop I will be in a good spot to potentially win a big pot since I've totally misrepresented my hand. The same play is probably good in limit too, but this wouldn't be a play I make very often, just to mix it up a bit when I feel I'm being too predictable.
Limit, first in, this hand never sees the light of day.
I aggree that it's better to raise a marginal hand, than limping when first in, from middle position. However, in my book, this hand needs some limpers ahead of you to get to the marginal category.
Now, on the button with three limpers and a raise in the cutoff -- oh baby, I love this hand. If the limpers were really bad and cold-calling, I might even re-raise. But that's much more likely on the 5/10.
I think this is a must-bail (sp?) at the turn. SYP looks like he has a made hand, and FYP looks like a made hand with a draw -- hmm.. I think A8c. So, I think even if you make this hand, you may lose.
Now, what really happened, FYP has A8 clubs, and SYP has TT.
Cheers
Magi
Ok, sorry for quoting everyone but not really sure what buttons to press.
I didnt want to call the river but with two pair knew i had to. Both FYP and SYP flopped sets FYP with the 6's and SYP with the 8's, ouch! I wanted to mix my game up a bit but next time I'll take all of your advice and play this hand in a more beneficial situation. Thanks for the input.
stp
Don't limp here.
First, you're not gonna isolate anyone who just called 2 cold and who has position on both bettors. Also, why would you want to isolate anyone? Did you think SYP was on overs? You have a draw, you want customers.
Second, I would have check raised this flop for value.
After seeing SYP go call - raise, he looks alot like a set which he had originally planned to raise on 4th street, but decided to jam on the flop after you guys started raising.
This is where you release your hand, you could very easily be drawing dead right now if FYP is on KcXc and SYP is a set - which is the first hand that comes to mind for them.
You guys swelled this pot to 16bbs, so you're getting 16:1 and it doesn't appear FYP is gonna check raise based on previous action, you call here hoping FYP missed his flush draw and SYP is still pushing some shitty flopped 2 pair.
This is a crying if you think you might win in this situation 1 out of 16 times, I think you might.
But when FYP calls behind - muck before you even see their cards
Peace,
Jay