unraise pot, go broke?

ChuckielandChuckieland
in MTT Strategy
90 man MTT
20 player left, 9th place
how would you play this hand.
have i over play my hand.
i figure, even if i get away, i'll probly invest good chunk of my stack.
is this mistake?

i have bottom two, so i kind want to end action now.
Full Tilt Poker Game #9975185464: $3 + $0.30 KO Sit & Go (75801307), Table 7 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:03:21 ET - 2009/01/11
Seat 1: henryg (17,257)
Seat 3: redbirds00 (5,267)
Seat 4: Initiald134 (9,380)
Seat 5: Gr8F84me (12,640)
Seat 6: allyasia (13,430)
Seat 7: kenkenuck (3,845)
Seat 9: JBG3004 (30,540)
henryg antes 50
redbirds00 antes 50
Initiald134 antes 50
Gr8F84me antes 50
allyasia antes 50
kenkenuck antes 50
JBG3004 antes 50
allyasia posts the small blind of 250
kenkenuck posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allyasia [8d 7d]
JBG3004 calls 500
henryg folds
redbirds00 folds
Initiald134 folds
Gr8F84me folds
allyasia calls 250
kenkenuck checks
*** FLOP *** [As 7s 8c]
allyasia checks
kenkenuck checks
JBG3004 bets 1,850
allyasia raises to 12,880, and is all in
kenkenuck folds
JBG3004 calls 11,030
allyasia shows [8d 7d]
JBG3004 shows [Ac 9c]
*** TURN *** [As 7s 8c] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [As 7s 8c 9d] [9h]
allyasia shows two pair, Nines and Eights
JBG3004 shows a full house, Nines full of Aces
JBG3004 wins the pot (27,610) with a full house, Nines full of Aces
allyasia stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27,610 | Rake 0
Board: [As 7s 8c 9d 9h]
Seat 1: henryg folded before the Flop
Seat 3: redbirds00 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Initiald134 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Gr8F84me (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: allyasia (small blind) showed [8d 7d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 7: kenkenuck (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: JBG3004 showed [Ac 9c] and won (27,610) with a full house, Nines full of Aces

Comments

  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    Anytime you put all your $ in with 78 is plus e.v.
    Mark
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    push preflop to see where you're at
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    so you guys saying the mistake is the preflop?
    i should should preflop?
  • zunni74zunni74
    I don't have a complaint about the play perse, you were a 2:1 favourite on the flop and got your opponent to commit all his chips drawing to 6 clean outs (or running cards). He misses the turn, you are a 4:1 fav.. He just drew out on you.

    Board: As 7s 8c
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 66.364% 66.36% 00.00% 657 0.00 { 8d7d }
    Hand 1: 33.636% 33.64% 00.00% 333 0.00 { Ac9c }
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Completely agree with Zunni, even an old tight guy like me goes broke there. You got it in good, what more can you do? He's drawing to only 5 outs.... 2 A's and 3 Nines.
  • RedingtonRedington
    shove it or bet it,
    just dont fold it
  • MonteroyMonteroy
    At that level tournament I bet out on the flop, as there really is no real need to fancy slow play. Many players with any ace or any straight draw will call, and many will raise/call an all in with any ace, even A2 when basically they are behind nearly everything. Note, if you pot bet, get called , and an ace hits the turn , then you probably will have to get away from the hand.

    That's my only suggestion, but getting it all in on that flop in that level tournament is kind of a rhetorical question. If you are folding 78 on that flop (unless opponent is an ultra beyond extreme nit, and even then probably shove) then that is a huge EV leak in your game.

    Also understand that these "should I have gotten it in?" scenarios when you clearly should have gotten it in and were a healthy favorite are kind of silly. Bad beats like this suck, but this is basically a variation of should I fold KK preflop type question (bizarre satellite/bubble/player reads aside).
  • _obv__obv_
    bet out on the flop with the intention of getting it all in

    as played it's standard though
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    oh, sorry guy
    i need to ask question more clearly
    pardon my english
    if it's cash game, i push this any day any time.
    but for MTT
    i have around M12
    top 9 get paid, from my exprience, M12 here get paid alot.
    maybe not top3, but some money.
    my question would be
    during MTT, with so close to the money, should i have play any different
  • RedingtonRedington
    top 9 get paid, from my exprience, M12 here get paid alot.
    maybe not top3, but some money.
    my question would be
    should i play a smaller pot instead of allin. since it's unraise pot.

    No NO... aND fucking NO

    You need to hoover up chips now, if your trying to squeek into money then dont play MTT they wont ever be profitable

    you played it fine as played it was just a BadBeat
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    C'mon man you got your money in good in a spot where you need to double to make a run at first...I don't believe that you are this results oriented with the amount of poker that you play.
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    GTA Poker wrote: »
    C'mon man you got your money in good in a spot where you need to double to make a run at first...I don't believe that you are this results oriented with the amount of poker that you play.
    hehehe
    take me a while to not be result oriented on cash game
    MTT is different
    if i look at the amount of MTT i got out just before money, because i was aiming for top 3.....i could easily fold to the money, say 200 MTT.
    instead been losing $660, i could be up at least $1500-$2000.
    huge difference for $3.30 mtt player
    now, i know that going for top 3 is the right play as that is where all the money is.
    i must be doing something wrong, i'm trying to find my MTT leak
  • RedingtonRedington
    send me the HHs and i would love to go through it and give feedback

    it would be a great exercise
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    Redington wrote: »
    send me the HHs and i would love to go through it and give feedback

    it would be a great exercise
    that has to wait
    i use HEM
    and HEM hand export does seperate cash and tourny yet....
    HEM tourny support is coming next week or two.
    after i reimport, i'll be able to export the tournment HH
    thanks for the offer, i'm very looking forward to it
  • MonteroyMonteroy
    Chuckieland wrote: »
    oh, sorry guy
    i need to ask question more clearly
    pardon my english
    if it's cash game, i push this any day any time.
    but for MTT
    i have around M12
    top 9 get paid, from my exprience, M12 here get paid alot.
    maybe not top3, but some money.
    my question would be
    during MTT, with so close to the money, should i have play any different

    Fold preflop if you prefer. Once you see the flop that you saw whether you limped or raised, you need to get it all in or else why bother playing that hand?

    Not really sure what other type of answer you are looking for here.
  • stpboystpboy
    Same basic hand, different result. I would play it the same in a MTT. Get your money in with the best of it and Pray!


    PokerStars Game #23811987871: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/01/11 20:11:23 ET
    Table 'Ioannisiani II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 2: Rikardosan ($32.90 in chips)
    Seat 3: katiemikexxx ($24.65 in chips)
    Seat 4: Kotfrass ($27.60 in chips)
    Seat 5: Iwishclover ($25 in chips)
    Seat 6: Tonwin ($35.65 in chips)
    Seat 7: AZPokerPete ($20.50 in chips)
    Seat 8: Androolid ($5 in chips)
    Seat 9: SuperTommy ($50.45 in chips)
    AZPokerPete: posts small blind $0.10
    Androolid: posts big blind $0.25
    Iwishclover: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Iwishclover [8s 9h]
    SuperTommy: folds
    Rikardosan: folds
    katiemikexxx: folds
    pusha82 joins the table at seat #1
    Kotfrass: folds
    Iwishclover: checks
    Tonwin: folds
    AZPokerPete: raises $0.50 to $0.75
    Androolid: folds
    Iwishclover: calls $0.50
    *** FLOP *** [Js 8d 9d]
    AZPokerPete: bets $1
    Iwishclover: raises $2 to $3
    AZPokerPete: calls $2
    *** TURN *** [Js 8d 9d] [2s]
    AZPokerPete: bets $4.25
    Iwishclover: raises $16.50 to $20.75
    AZPokerPete: calls $12.50 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet ($4) returned to Iwishclover
    *** RIVER *** [Js 8d 9d 2s] [Ah]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    AZPokerPete: shows [Qs Qc] (a pair of Queens)
    Iwishclover: shows [8s 9h] (two pair, Nines and Eights)
    Iwishclover collected $39.25 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $41.25 | Rake $2
    Board [Js 8d 9d 2s Ah]
    Seat 2: Rikardosan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: katiemikexxx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Kotfrass folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: Iwishclover showed [8s 9h] and won ($39.25) with two pair, Nines and Eights
    Seat 6: Tonwin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: AZPokerPete (small blind) showed [Qs Qc] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 8: Androolid (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: SuperTommy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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