4Bet all-in on the bubble?
Ok, so heres a situation i'm curious if anyone would 4-bet all in on the bubble:
There was 28 people left in a 100+9 tournament, and 27 paid:
Blinds: 500/1000
Hero: 35,000
Villian 75,000
The villian has a big stack and was abusing the bubble and taking alot of pots down by raising/re-raising etc. There were alot of 10K stacks at the table so they were obviously playing tight to make it in to the money.
Folds to hero whos in the CO with TT.
Hero raises to 3000
Villian re raises to 10,000 in the BB
Would you 4 bet all in on the bubble? or let him take it from you?
There was 28 people left in a 100+9 tournament, and 27 paid:
Blinds: 500/1000
Hero: 35,000
Villian 75,000
The villian has a big stack and was abusing the bubble and taking alot of pots down by raising/re-raising etc. There were alot of 10K stacks at the table so they were obviously playing tight to make it in to the money.
Folds to hero whos in the CO with TT.
Hero raises to 3000
Villian re raises to 10,000 in the BB
Would you 4 bet all in on the bubble? or let him take it from you?
Comments
I know it sucks to see a big stack gobbling up blinds from timid shorties at bubble time. But this is a situation where you could actually make a tilt shove and then run into a higher pair only to ask wtf just happened.
And what is his image of you? Have you also been active and running over the 10K stacks?
I know this might seem like a gimme shove but let's think about it for a second. There are 4 hands that have you dominated and you are flipping with all paint combos. The best you can hope for is A9 or 99-22.
Unless I thought this guy was completely reckless, I probably fold regardless of any bubble situation.
You can call and see a flop, but any paint will scare you away with any kind of bet out by villian, and he will most likely put you all in first, so you're decision would be to fold and sit on 25,000 left. Tighten up more and hope for the short stacks to pick each other off. But if you're folding 1010 here, how much tighter do you have to go?
You can fold to his raise...sitting with 32,000. Still respectable stack. But I would rather try to build my stack and hope to face him with a much bigger stack later on.
Pushing here puts him to a decision. He can only call with AKo or better really and risk almost half his stack. If he's just bullying like he has been, he has to fold or rely on luck.
Trust your read and play to win. Playing to money is weak imho. If you're going to cold call him and fold on a dirty flop, you're sitting alot weaker and risk either a bubble finish still or a weak payout. Doubling up gives you a healthy stack and gets you alot deeper into the money where you can be the aggressor.
Of course he is bullying the medium stacks. That is how he accumulates chips.
I have been pretty card dead so I didn't play alot of hands. So I pretty much looked very tight to the villian. So with that image, I figured by 4 betting all in i can get the villian to fold ALOT of hands.
Well I was wrong, he ended up calling me with AQss and he wins the race. In my opinion, he should have folded everything but AA and KK (and possible QQ) here.
Kinda shitty result, but meh.
I figured if I won the race, I would have a chance to win the tournament.
But it always sucks busting out on the bubble. Especially when you have a really healthy stack!
but I was playing PLOM
AAK10 (A10hh)
vs.
KK74 (K4ss)
I lose
Mark
Lets say the stack sizes/blinds are the same BUT only difference is the player is not a maniac and not abusing the bubble. Lets say he's a decent player that you do not know alot of information about. would you still 4 bet all in with TT?
I understand the move is +EV and your logic is even backed up in this article: How to Play on the Bubble in Poker Tournaments, but if I'm sitting with a decent stack and only 1 bust out to go to the money, I'm folding this hand regardless of EV (unless I was on the short stack).
Is that a leak in my game?
Its only a leak if you think it restricts your money placing finishes. If you're happy with min wins, and its proving profitable for you, then no, its not necessarily a leak. Not quite the way I prefer to play, that's all I meant.
If I find myself short stack near the bubble, yes, I will tighten up massively, JUST to show a profit or get my buyin back. But if I"m sitting on average to large stack, I'll take the chance with my chips and try to go deeper where the big payouts live.
but he only raised to 10k. i think his range is much broader than top 20%. like something approaching 90% if he knows people will almost always get out of his way.
his call with AQ is ldo but that doesn't mean the shove is the wrong move here.
sirwatts, how about some analysis so us peons can learn how to look at these situations better?