Sunday Millions - Odd Play by 9th Place Finisher
If you made it to the final table in the sunday millions would you really risk calling off this much of your stack with QT off? At this point wouldn't his best play be to shove (for a bluff where you still have an okay hand) or fold pre-flop (leaning heavily towards FOLD)? The blinds are getting high, but I don't think they really are an issue for the player in this hand at this point. What do you think of this play?
Here is the hand I am referring to:
PokerStars Game #16547204464: Tournament #82572462, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIV (150000/300000) - 2008/04/07 - 01:41:17 (ET)
Table '82572462 609' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Fjusse (10829086 in chips)
Seat 2: exceed_EXE (6569400 in chips)
Seat 3: Vaga_Lion (13726408 in chips)
Seat 4: princessl111 (12324973 in chips)
Seat 5: garsn (7106110 in chips)
Seat 6: jkcva (3793157 in chips)
Seat 7: V00D00CHILE (7739354 in chips)
Seat 8: billusnail (9046129 in chips)
Seat 9: johne147 (5665383 in chips)
Fjusse: posts the ante 30000
exceed_EXE: posts the ante 30000
Vaga_Lion: posts the ante 30000
princessl111: posts the ante 30000
garsn: posts the ante 30000
jkcva: posts the ante 30000
V00D00CHILE: posts the ante 30000
billusnail: posts the ante 30000
johne147: posts the ante 30000
billusnail: posts small blind 150000
johne147: posts big blind 300000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Fjusse: folds
exceed_EXE: folds
Fjusse said, "ty"
Vaga_Lion: raises 450000 to 750000
princessl111: folds
garsn: folds
jkcva: calls 750000
V00D00CHILE: calls 750000
billusnail: folds
johne147: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 3c Qc]
Vaga_Lion: bets 900000
jkcva: raises 2113157 to 3013157 and is all-in
V00D00CHILE: folds
Vaga_Lion: calls 2113157
*** TURN *** [2d 3c Qc] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [2d 3c Qc 4h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vaga_Lion: shows [Kh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
jkcva: shows [Qd Tc] (a pair of Queens - lower kicker)
Vaga_Lion collected 8996314 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8996314 | Rake 0
Board [2d 3c Qc 4h 6c]
Seat 1: Fjusse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: exceed_EXE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vaga_Lion showed [Kh Qs] and won (8996314) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: princessl111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: garsn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jkcva showed [Qd Tc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: V00D00CHILE (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: billusnail (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: johne147 (big blind) folded before Flop
Here is the hand I am referring to:
PokerStars Game #16547204464: Tournament #82572462, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXXIV (150000/300000) - 2008/04/07 - 01:41:17 (ET)
Table '82572462 609' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Fjusse (10829086 in chips)
Seat 2: exceed_EXE (6569400 in chips)
Seat 3: Vaga_Lion (13726408 in chips)
Seat 4: princessl111 (12324973 in chips)
Seat 5: garsn (7106110 in chips)
Seat 6: jkcva (3793157 in chips)
Seat 7: V00D00CHILE (7739354 in chips)
Seat 8: billusnail (9046129 in chips)
Seat 9: johne147 (5665383 in chips)
Fjusse: posts the ante 30000
exceed_EXE: posts the ante 30000
Vaga_Lion: posts the ante 30000
princessl111: posts the ante 30000
garsn: posts the ante 30000
jkcva: posts the ante 30000
V00D00CHILE: posts the ante 30000
billusnail: posts the ante 30000
johne147: posts the ante 30000
billusnail: posts small blind 150000
johne147: posts big blind 300000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Fjusse: folds
exceed_EXE: folds
Fjusse said, "ty"
Vaga_Lion: raises 450000 to 750000
princessl111: folds
garsn: folds
jkcva: calls 750000
V00D00CHILE: calls 750000
billusnail: folds
johne147: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d 3c Qc]
Vaga_Lion: bets 900000
jkcva: raises 2113157 to 3013157 and is all-in
V00D00CHILE: folds
Vaga_Lion: calls 2113157
*** TURN *** [2d 3c Qc] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [2d 3c Qc 4h] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Vaga_Lion: shows [Kh Qs] (a pair of Queens)
jkcva: shows [Qd Tc] (a pair of Queens - lower kicker)
Vaga_Lion collected 8996314 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8996314 | Rake 0
Board [2d 3c Qc 4h 6c]
Seat 1: Fjusse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: exceed_EXE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vaga_Lion showed [Kh Qs] and won (8996314) with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: princessl111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: garsn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jkcva showed [Qd Tc] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: V00D00CHILE (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: billusnail (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: johne147 (big blind) folded before Flop
Comments
post flop, no way your folding
Maybe this is why I finnished 190th and 238th respecitively in the two Sunday Million's that I played. I am questioning my play right now maybe I am playing too tight?
I don't think shoving is a very good option here. I doubt big stack would raise and then fold to an all-in from M=5 guy. And again, without a good read, I would say QT would be behind most of the time. So have a second best hand and very little fold equity, it would make more sense to me to wait.
Calling here is not my cup of tea. Perhaps this is some stop-n-go thing where he was shoving pretty well any flop. But to me that would take reads that the blinds were tight and big stack would fold if he missed. Maybe not everyone subscribes to Harrington's shove or fold low M strategy.
you'd be surprised how often this happens i think.
Unless he makes 10k by sleeping that is a strange justification
he shoulda just sitout and went to bed... I bet he would have finished like 6th or 7th by doing that lol