Cash game hand...
Playing in a very deep cash game.
Limper2 sitting with 150BB
Hero siting with 125BB
Player A sitting with 80BB
Limper1 sitting with 50BB
This is your first hand at the table, no reads.
Hero posts in late position. Two limpers before Player A makes it 4x to go.
Both limpers call, Hero calls with 56h
Four to the flop.
Kh 2h 4d
Limper1 checks.
Limper2 Bets 7BB
Hero Calls.
Player A re-raises, making it 40BB.
Limper1 Folds.
Limper2 goes all in for his 150BB.
Action on the hero, what do you do here? Is this simply a math decision to you? Without reads or knowledge of how much the money means to each player, I can only assume both have hit large. Or is that wrong to assume that?
stp
Limper2 sitting with 150BB
Hero siting with 125BB
Player A sitting with 80BB
Limper1 sitting with 50BB
This is your first hand at the table, no reads.
Hero posts in late position. Two limpers before Player A makes it 4x to go.
Both limpers call, Hero calls with 56h
Four to the flop.
Kh 2h 4d
Limper1 checks.
Limper2 Bets 7BB
Hero Calls.
Player A re-raises, making it 40BB.
Limper1 Folds.
Limper2 goes all in for his 150BB.
Action on the hero, what do you do here? Is this simply a math decision to you? Without reads or knowledge of how much the money means to each player, I can only assume both have hit large. Or is that wrong to assume that?
stp
Comments
You have a gut shot and a very weak flush draw, why put all your money in?
If your read is that both players hit the board hard, then I would say that both your draws are live. I can imagine that either player is reraising with a bigger flush draw. The math says to call - of course you can expect that at least one player has hit a set and even if you hit your flush then they have a redraw to a full house. You need to decide how much the money for a rebuy means to you.
You can assume that Limper2 and Player A (only 40BB behind) are both calling. Player A has an obvious make hand. Probably somethig stupid like AK.
Limper 2 is a little weird. Open limp, call 3BBpreflop, leads out a feeler 7BB gets raised and now wants to dance. I guess it's 22 or 44..
Either way,11 outs...
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4357765
pokenum -h 2c 2d - 5h 6h -- kh 2h 4d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 4d Kh 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 2d 655 66.16 335 33.84 0 0.00 0.662
6h 5h 335 33.84 655 66.16 0 0.00 0.338
Player A shows AA
Limper 2 shows K10s (donk)
I show 56h
Turn 3
River, not that it matters was a Q.
stp
You call that much $$ for a gutshot, and a VERY WEAK flush draw VS AA and luckily hit it?
Who's the donk?
A set at worst? OMG!
Please come to any table i'm at, anytime.
Guys like you are why i'm a winning player at online poker
sorry frenchy but that is worth one HELLOFA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
35,217 games 0.002 secs 17,608,500 games/sec
Board: Kh 2h 4d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.445% 38.44% 00.00% 13539 0.00 { 6h5h }
Hand 1: 29.256% 29.26% 00.00% 10303 0.00 { AdAh }
Hand 2: 32.300% 32.30% 00.00% 11375 0.00 { KK, 44, 22, AKs, KJs, K4s, K2s, AKo, KJo, 42o }
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WHO'S THE DONK NOW!?!
/g2
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
16,254 games 0.002 secs 8,127,000 games/sec
Board: Kh 2h 4d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.013% 46.01% 00.00% 7479 0.00 { 6h5h }
Hand 1: 40.772% 40.77% 00.00% 6627 0.00 { AA }
Hand 2: 13.215% 13.22% 00.00% 2148 0.00 { KTs }
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/g2
Sorry, didn't I see you in another thread recently criticizing someone's english?
About the hand, I would have had a tough time making the call worrying that my flush draw was dominated and I was actually just drawing to my 3 non heart straight outs. nice hand
This is why I don't play nl cash games though, I have no roll, and I simply cannot muster the guts needed to make the tough calls when the situation calls for it.
I prefer high fixed limit myself, but 1-2 nl isn't what i'd call a game where you need to be "rolled" to high
Anyway, all i'm saying is i'll take that "donk" call anyday if he hits it once he'll call it again and eventually I'll get my money back.
Good question Shannon and great responses everyone...
I'm not "pretending"to be anything nor am I on a high horse, it's the posters cash, let them give it away if they want too.
To add to this, in poker you can learn something from everyone who plays, I appreciate the strategy, it pays me more often than not.
cheers.
/g2
/g2
/g2
Hero has 3 outs for his straight draw, but the nine hearts may not be good as outs. With the betting so far, an Ace-high flush draw or set is among the likely range of all-in hands and hero's hand may not be good even if he hits a flush or straight. "Without reads" on how bad/solid the players are, hero does not have enough probable outs to make calling correct. I would fold and wait for a much better opportunity to risk my $570.
I think you mean it may be more "intuitive" with dollar amounts... the analysis did not get any "easier".
If OP is confident with his reads... calling is +EV... but he only has to be wrong 1 in 10 times or so to push this into negative territory.
For the record, I fold here... and wait for a better spot as well.
I'd like the preflop raiser to have a bigger stack (around 120BB).
I'd also like to know that the two limpers are also calling and not raising before I come in.
If the limper had 150BB and there were 2 cold callers behind the raiser I'd be fine with calling the 4BB raise.
But as played I'd fold this 80-90% of the time.
You have 9 outs to a flush and 2 more to a straight.
But your flush outs are non-nut outs. So you have to discount them. I'd say you have 8 discounted outs.