Another WWYD

Psi

So playing in the tourney on paradise the other night (Dave's tourney).

Sorry I don't have the log, I can remember it fairly closely(I'll post it later if I can get it from paradise).

Stacks:
Me: 1750
Him: 1800

I got KJs in MP and bumped it up 3x the bb (Blinds were at iirc, 15-30)

I get one call from the opponent.

Flop AKJ, rainbow.

I lead the flop for 120.
He calls.

Pot ~500

turn 7

I check.
He goes all in for ~1500

So as the topic says, what would you do ?

I wasn't expecting the all in, and it stumped me.

beanie42

First, I HATE the turn check - you opened the door for him to bluff you. The all-in isn't that surprising to me. From his perspective, you've shown some strength and then weakness. If he makes a small bet/bluff you may be compelled to call with a medium-strength hand or draw.

Any reads? Assuming none, I doubt theres a set out there (doubtful 7's would have gotten that far, and any big pair would probably re-raise pre-flop). I also can't see AK being played so weak, or QT so strong. The hands that jump out at me are AJ, AT, or an over-played TT, but I'd assume I'm good often enough to get all the chips in here. Unfortunately, by relinquishing the lead we simply have to guess here...

SirWatts

Yeah you should probably bet the flop stronger and lead turn strong. As played I'd call. People on Paradise are bad.

djalikool

Insta-Call...if he had a Set he would bet the min. on the turn, however lots of draws with the flop...so maybe if he had a set that is the right play, maybe he is putting you on AK

BoyBlue

then again he could be a player that lpays always on a ace. he could have had a A with a weak Kicker which might as well have been a 7. but i agree just checking on the turn after betting strong could have told him that you tried to represent the flop but then the check pro told him u have a medium strength hand or were tryin just to steal the blinds which would partly explain his all in. cause of the check he no longer had much pressure so he now place it on you. but i think he had the A7

Meistro

Insta call he likely has a worse ace, most of the hands that beat you would reraise preflop. Turn check is good to induce a bluff, hands as weak as A2 and KQ will bet here because your range is so huge.

magithighs

Psi wrote:

So playing in the tourney on paradise the other night (Dave's tourney).

Sorry I don't have the log, I can remember it fairly closely(I'll post it later if I can get it from paradise).

Stacks:
Me: 1750
Him: 1800

I got KJs in MP and bumped it up 3x the bb (Blinds were at iirc, 15-30)

I get one call from the opponent.

In limit poker, this is a raise.  In NL, especially tournaments, I'm more likely to limp in MP because I want some opponents to make some money and I don't want to raise so I make worse hands fold.  It's a go broke hand as opposed to a money maker when you're out of position -- I'm proceeding with caution unless I pick up a monster draw.  Now, if I'm at a final table with 7 or less players, then I raise to steal.

Flop AKJ, rainbow.

Now's the time to decide if you want to play this hand to the death.  You have little invested and lots of chips left.  Personally, I would not be in a hurry to play this hand to the death.  I would be more inclined to be happy with a decent size pot. 

I lead the flop for 120.
He calls.

I'm out of position and don't have any information on my opponent.  I'm more likely to go for a c/r.  His flop bet will tell me more.  Now I've shown strength pre-flop -- huge strength post flop with a c/r -- if he goes all-in I really need to assess the odds as I will assume I'm behind.

If you want to bet, I'm with the others on making a pot sized bet.

Pot ~500

turn 7

I check.
He goes all in for ~1500

This is one of those where he has very little or next to nothing (small pair) or he has hit the flop huge AK, AJ, 77 or even QT.  If he's hit huge, his assumption is that you've hit your flop and won't be able to let go.  However, what you've told him is that you liked your hand pre-flop and are not very thrilled so far.  Based on the information you've given him and the size of his bet, I'm more inclined to call here as he has no reason to believe you will call the large bet.

Cheers
Magi

ChrisWinsor

For some reason I cant shake the feeling this is one of those hands where the opponnet know you're not just making a continuation bet, and that the turn is the standard please bluff my had is good like two pair good. That said, I still don't think i'd be able to throw down that hand.

Dave Scharf

Stacks:
Me: 1750
Him: 1800

I got KJs in MP and bumped it up 3x the bb (Blinds were at iirc, 15-30)

I get one call from the opponent.

I like the play so far.

Flop AKJ, rainbow.

I lead the flop for 120.
He calls.

Great flop. What are you behind? AK AJ AA JJ KK QT -- he did not re-raise so this list of hands seems fairly unlikely.

Pot ~500

turn 7

I check.
He goes all in for ~1500

I think the check is a mistake. It "tells" him that a hand like AT is good and may cause him to bet. A bet of about 1/2 the pot will give him raise some teeth. If he pops it all-in after you bet 250 you can be pretty certain that he has better than top pair and you can fold.

But... you didn't to that...

So as the topic says, what would you do ?

I call. Does he have QT? I really doubt it. I can't seem him overbetting that amount with the nuts. I think that, because you checked, there are lots of hands that he might bet. And, his overbet "tells" me that he is weak and wants to end it right now.

If you choose to check, I think you are commiting yourself to calling.

Of course, I was the first out of the tournament when I just could NOT fold top pair against a HUGE overbet c/r. He showed me the nuts.

Flint Bones

As mentioned already, the check was bad. I am curious as to your reasoning behind it.

I have a funny feeling he has A7 but maybe not. Without a read, I call.