I've always wondered about these satellites for Fallsview trying to figure out the most optimal way to get a seat for these tournaments. Maybe Blondefish can help with his analytical expertise on this subjuct.
I'm often stumped as to which option to go and I find myself divided on which option to take.
1. Rake free satellites are good, but if its a bunch of forumers then it's not exactly a walk in the park satellite where everyone's calling your shove with ace-rag every hand and you win the tournament.
2. Fallsview satellites, it's a bit time consuming going to fallsview, and the wait for a satellite can be pretty long, on top of that the variance in these can be pretty high considering the lack of play involved.
3. Online satellites, not sure how often they run, and how tough these games are, maybe someone can chime in on this? I don't have money on Party so I'll have to go hunt someone down for a transfer which shouldn't be too difficult.
4. Skip satellites altogether and just grind cash games and try to purchase a seat from a satellite winner selling at a discount.
I just know there are some years where I wish I never played any of the fallsview sats cause I spent as much as the cost of the tournament. And of course other years where I pretty much ran like god so it was definitely a good idea playing them
1. Rake free satellites are good, but if its a bunch of forumers then it's not exactly a walk in the park satellite where everyone's calling your shove with ace-rag every hand and you win the tournament.
With apologies to Muddgutts, the fact is that some of the rake-free home games posted in this forum requires a bunch of non-members (or rare posters) in order for them to run. For example, the guy who offered to host a RFS at Square One has not yet found enough outside players. Since the raked satellites take away as much as $500 rake and are 15-minute turbos, RFS are by far the best-value option for most people, including you and me. Even if a player thinks that he is a bad player but wants a shot at over $4 million prize pool, playing in an equity RFS is better than a raked satellite (with zero equity) or buying in directly.
2. Fallsview satellites, it's a bit time consuming going to fallsview, and the wait for a satellite can be pretty long, on top of that the variance in these can be pretty high considering the lack of play involved.
Since a lot of people don't know, understand or care about the high value of a RFS, Fallsview will be by far the most popular option. A disadvantage is that it can be very hard to beat >= 10% rake in turbos. Even I would not be comfortable buying into the $1,050 and $550 raked crapshoots, unlike the $1K WPT NAPC satellites I grinded before which had a lot of play.
3. Online satellites, not sure how often they run, and how tough these games are, maybe someone can chime in on this? I don't have money on Party so I'll have to go hunt someone down for a transfer which shouldn't be too difficult.
I don't know if the few PartyPoker players in this forum will agree, but it kept getting worse after the bwin takeover that even the most loyal VIP like me was finally forced to withdraw my entire cash balance. See the PartyPoker thread here or several 2+2 threads, where the player community had to organize sit-outs. At a WPT Montreal online satellite, I was losing a lot of EV with PartyPoker's lags/freezes/disconnections, but I still managed to be top 3 in chips with 5 left and 4 getting the $5,000 package; unfortunately for me, the PartyPoker freezes got worse for me and made me the bubble, screwing me out of $5,000. :arghh: I talked to the winners at WPT Montreal and they were all wondering why I played almost no hands in our final five.
4. Skip satellites altogether and just grind cash games and try to purchase a seat from a satellite winner selling at a discount.
Next to RFS, this is a good option for those who have a high win rate at the Fallsview cash games or elsewhere. For example, for the forumer I know who is probably the best cash game player left here, if he wants to play a WPT event, he should buy-in directly using his Fallsview profits instead of leaving his juicy cash game table to play a raked turbo, which has much higher variance & probably lower win rate.
WWBD: It is a no-brainer to me that one should play as many RFS as you can if you want a shot at the $4 million+. Until there is a RFS, I'm forced to play the raked turbos at Fallsview, including this weekend.
What Should Popkorn Do: Aside from signing up for a RFS, if you are winning at Port Perry or wherever you play nowadays, then using those profits to fund your buy-in(s) may be a better option if the drives to Fallsview are long and inconvenient.
not at all man. I feel your frustration. I'm in no position right now to play these RFS but I feel anyone's pain for not being able to get a game off the ground. I've been through it with my own buddies outside of this forum and I know The ChingHill league is having a rough go of getting enough players as well. It sucks.
It's been a lot harder to get a regular game going the past 3 or 4 years. I used to have a monthly game with 20-30 players every game, and 60+ in the player pool. Only a handful of those still play as most have moved on to other activities.
I've tried 2 games in the last couple of months, and even with the support of this forum and OAPL, it was a stretch to get one to run. If we could somehow pool all these players from Georgetown, Mississauga, Brampton, and Milton into one regular game, I think we'd have a decent shot at keeping a regular game going.
That's what poker forums/sites are for, but for whatever the reasons, the many players in the SOLD OUT games I go to in the GTA have no interest in joining or actively participating in this forum. In addition, most players don't really understand or care about rake, and would prefer just continuing to go to their current underground or casino game, as opposed to driving to a new place for a rake-free game.
The Square One host has finally gotten back to me, and he will try to find enough players by tomorrow to see if the last best hope for an RFS this year can go ahead.
If we could somehow pool all these players from Georgetown, Mississauga, Brampton, and Milton into one regular game, I think we'd have a decent shot at keeping a regular game going.
Yeah, I wasn't referring to underground players - that's a totally different world with very different motivations for playing. There's a distinct lack of regard for money, and therefore rake. It's mostly people blowing off stress by pissing away cash, with a few good players mixed in profiting from them. Those folks don't care about RFS - they want the social club treatment - free food, free drinks, etc.
I was talking about the folks on this forum in the Peel/Halton area. You have a small group in Georgetown, I have a small group in Milton, Ching Hill has a small group in Brampton, and it seems like we are all having trouble filling our respective games. If we all got together then we'd have a game, but I don't know that we're all looking for the same type of game, or even the same nights for that matter.
I've always wondered about these satellites for Fallsview trying to figure out the most optimal way to get a seat for these tournaments. Maybe Blondefish can help with his analytical expertise on this subjuct.
I'm often stumped as to which option to go and I find myself divided on which option to take.
1. Rake free satellites are good, but if its a bunch of forumers then it's not exactly a walk in the park satellite where everyone's calling your shove with ace-rag every hand and you win the tournament.
2. Fallsview satellites, it's a bit time consuming going to fallsview, and the wait for a satellite can be pretty long, on top of that the variance in these can be pretty high considering the lack of play involved.
3. Online satellites, not sure how often they run, and how tough these games are, maybe someone can chime in on this? I don't have money on Party so I'll have to go hunt someone down for a transfer which shouldn't be too difficult.
4. Skip satellites altogether and just grind cash games and try to purchase a seat from a satellite winner selling at a discount.
I just know there are some years where I wish I never played any of the fallsview sats cause I spent as much as the cost of the tournament. And of course other years where I pretty much ran like god so it was definitely a good idea playing them
Just wondering if any of u had this dilemma?
Back in Alberta, I went with #4. In Ontario, I'd likely go with #1 (if they ever run on a day that works for me) or #3. I just hate the fact that the closest place to play is a minimum 30-45 minute drive. I miss Alberta.
I bet you do, I remember recently seeing pic of a certain trophy on a wad of hundos...lol
BF, another game has been put into the works for me, I will have to know if this will run or not by Friday early evening latest or i will have to decline my participation. SRY and THX for trying to run a RFS.
K
Unfortunately, the Mississauga host is nowhere as reliable as the Georgetown forumer and never got back to me if he found enough players, so there is no RFS AFAIK. Hopefully, AcidJoe will get an RFS going near Barrie.
Unfortunately, the Mississauga host is nowhere as reliable as the Georgetown forumer and never got back to me if he found enough players, so there is no RFS <acronym title="As far as I know">AFAIK</acronym>. Hopefully, AcidJoe will get an RFS going near Barrie.
You'll drive 3 hr roundtrip to save $10 (which pays for food and drink which you will need anyways)? By the way I love you Joe, and certainly not picking on you, but this way of thinking is sure strange..
You'll drive 3 hr roundtrip to save $10 (which pays for food and drink which you will need anyways)? By the way I love you Joe, and certainly not picking on you, but this way of thinking is sure strange..
It's pretty common, actually. How. Often do you see people spend a whole Saturday driving from store to store to save 10 or 20 dollars, or sit in line at a gas station for a half hour to save 1 or 2 cents per litre, which equates to $1 per tank?
No, I have already won $4K worth of WPT Fallsview satellites, but my intention was to support the poker community having RFS. I was thinking of going anyway to Casino Rama near Barrie sometime in January.
18 forumers supported AcidJoe's RFS last time, along with RFS organized by me, PIRANHA, etc. but it looks like there may not be a single RFS this time. What happened to this poker community since the last time WPT was here??
You'll drive 3 hr roundtrip to save $10 (which pays for food and drink which you will need anyways)? By the way I love you Joe, and certainly not picking on you, but this way of thinking is sure strange..
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I'm often stumped as to which option to go and I find myself divided on which option to take.
1. Rake free satellites are good, but if its a bunch of forumers then it's not exactly a walk in the park satellite where everyone's calling your shove with ace-rag every hand and you win the tournament.
2. Fallsview satellites, it's a bit time consuming going to fallsview, and the wait for a satellite can be pretty long, on top of that the variance in these can be pretty high considering the lack of play involved.
3. Online satellites, not sure how often they run, and how tough these games are, maybe someone can chime in on this? I don't have money on Party so I'll have to go hunt someone down for a transfer which shouldn't be too difficult.
4. Skip satellites altogether and just grind cash games and try to purchase a seat from a satellite winner selling at a discount.
I just know there are some years where I wish I never played any of the fallsview sats cause I spent as much as the cost of the tournament. And of course other years where I pretty much ran like god so it was definitely a good idea playing them
Just wondering if any of u had this dilemma?
Since a lot of people don't know, understand or care
I don't know if the few PartyPoker players in this forum will agree, but it kept getting worse after the bwin takeover that even the most loyal VIP like me was finally forced to withdraw my entire cash balance.
Next to RFS, this is a good option for those who have a high win rate at the Fallsview cash games or elsewhere. For example, for the forumer I know who is probably the best cash game player left here, if he wants to play a WPT event, he should buy-in directly using his Fallsview profits instead of leaving his juicy cash game table to play a raked turbo, which has much higher variance & probably lower win rate.
WWBD: It is a no-brainer to me that one should play as many RFS as you can if you want a shot at the $4 million+. Until there is a RFS, I'm forced to play the raked turbos at Fallsview, including this weekend.
What Should Popkorn Do: Aside from signing up for a RFS, if you are winning at Port Perry or wherever you play nowadays, then using those profits to fund your buy-in(s) may be a better option if the drives to Fallsview are long and inconvenient.
not at all man. I feel your frustration. I'm in no position right now to play these RFS but I feel anyone's pain for not being able to get a game off the ground. I've been through it with my own buddies outside of this forum and I know The ChingHill league is having a rough go of getting enough players as well. It sucks.
It's been a lot harder to get a regular game going the past 3 or 4 years. I used to have a monthly game with 20-30 players every game, and 60+ in the player pool. Only a handful of those still play as most have moved on to other activities.
I've tried 2 games in the last couple of months, and even with the support of this forum and OAPL, it was a stretch to get one to run. If we could somehow pool all these players from Georgetown, Mississauga, Brampton, and Milton into one regular game, I think we'd have a decent shot at keeping a regular game going.
Thoughts?
The Square One host has finally gotten back to me, and he will try to find enough players by tomorrow to see if the last best hope for an RFS this year can go ahead.
I was talking about the folks on this forum in the Peel/Halton area. You have a small group in Georgetown, I have a small group in Milton, Ching Hill has a small group in Brampton, and it seems like we are all having trouble filling our respective games. If we all got together then we'd have a game, but I don't know that we're all looking for the same type of game, or even the same nights for that matter.
And, not just for satellites either.
Back in Alberta, I went with #4. In Ontario, I'd likely go with #1 (if they ever run on a day that works for me) or #3. I just hate the fact that the closest place to play is a minimum 30-45 minute drive. I miss Alberta.
BF, another game has been put into the works for me, I will have to know if this will run or not by Friday early evening latest or i will have to decline my participation. SRY and THX for trying to run a RFS.
K
http://www.pokerforum.ca/f60/120-fallsview-satellite-saturday-jan-4-a-31409/#post365727
You'll drive 3 hr roundtrip to save $10 (which pays for food and drink which you will need anyways)? By the way I love you Joe, and certainly not picking on you, but this way of thinking is sure strange..
Just get back to playing you.....
and making us manies....
Can Tire. 10X coupon. Bink.
one time!
how many cylinders?
It's pretty common, actually. How. Often do you see people spend a whole Saturday driving from store to store to save 10 or 20 dollars, or sit in line at a gas station for a half hour to save 1 or 2 cents per litre, which equates to $1 per tank?
18 forumers supported AcidJoe's RFS last time, along with RFS organized by me, PIRANHA, etc. but it looks like there may not be a single RFS this time. What happened to this poker community since the last time WPT was here??