Definition of a suckout
Are suckouts situational?
Here's the situation:
SB has 1 chip more then the a call. 2 callers, sb shoves for the extra chip, bb calls along with the other 2.
Flop is all clubs, Q82. All players check it down to the river. Turn and river are 2, 2.
SB shows flopped flush with T3cc, another player has KQ for the boat. SB complains up and down about the "suckout". And how unlucky he is, blah, blah.
My reply was STFU, flopping a flush with junk sucked out first. The better hand won, GTFO.
Got heated to say the least, name calling, etc. Good times!
Thoughts?
Here's the situation:
SB has 1 chip more then the a call. 2 callers, sb shoves for the extra chip, bb calls along with the other 2.
Flop is all clubs, Q82. All players check it down to the river. Turn and river are 2, 2.
SB shows flopped flush with T3cc, another player has KQ for the boat. SB complains up and down about the "suckout". And how unlucky he is, blah, blah.
My reply was STFU, flopping a flush with junk sucked out first. The better hand won, GTFO.
Got heated to say the least, name calling, etc. Good times!
Thoughts?
Comments
Flopping the flush is lucky, but catching a runner runner full house is even luckier
Best hand PF won.
In my mind, a suckout requires making a bad call at some point when you're way behind and the pot odds don't justify the call, but then catching on a later street. This didn't happen, KQ could reasonably assume he probably had the best hand when that one extra chip went in.
Some situations:
1. Assume it was only the KQ that had called and the cards were flipped right there, SB would be behind about 35/65. Flop comes, SB makes flush, bad beat for KQ guy (I don't think this quite qualifies for a suckout, the odds weren't THAT terrible). Running 2's puts a bad beat on SB, again not a suckout because of the odds when the money went in.
2. Assume the K was Kc, and a club comes on the river. Still not a suckout, even if SB had only called PF and pushed all-in on the flop for, say, 3/4 pot. The odds were there.
3. Assume deeper stacks, KQ calls, SB min raises, KQ calls. Flop comes the same, SB pushes all-in for, say, 4x pot, KQ calls. I think THEN that the running 2's would be a suckout.
IMO, it all depends when the money gets in. I've had this discussion with friends before, and don't like it when they say their 4-5 suited all-in preflop got sucked out by KK after their 2 pair ran into a king on the river.
(the person shouldn't be allowed to call it a suckout ofc, but he can whine all he wants about bad luck...somewhere else)
This. Besides, anybody complaining about getting sucked out on when they hold T3s needs a spanking. I think I'd say something like "Quit being a whiny bitch."