Insane Bad Beat
Granted at this level I expect a lot of flush chasing and ppl that can't fld middle pair etc. but this one is the worst I have had in many months. No amount of $$ could have shut this guy down.
PokerStars Game #28451800881: Tournament #165503155, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/05/21 11:36:18 ET
Table '165503155 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: below-me44 (1915 in chips)
Seat 2: MattSilesia (1405 in chips)
Seat 3: el moldo (2475 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Khans1 (1125 in chips)
Seat 5: Mucheese (2650 in chips)
Seat 7: PRB31 (1330 in chips)
Seat 8: dcperal (1145 in chips)
Seat 9: Psychodad67 (1455 in chips)
MattSilesia: posts small blind 50
el moldo: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PRB31 [Qs Qd]
el moldo has returned
Khans1: folds
Mucheese: folds
PRB31: raises 350 to 450
dcperal: folds
Psychodad67: folds
below-me44: folds
MattSilesia: folds
el moldo: calls 350
*** FLOP *** [5h 8s 9h]
el moldo: checks
PRB31: bets 400
el moldo: calls 400
*** TURN *** [5h 8s 9h] [8h]
el moldo: checks
PRB31: bets 480 and is all-in
el moldo: calls 480
*** RIVER *** [5h 8s 9h 8h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
el moldo: shows [Qc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
PRB31: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
el moldo collected 2710 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2710 | Rake 0
Board [5h 8s 9h 8h Ks]
Seat 1: below-me44 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MattSilesia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: el moldo (big blind) showed [Qc Kc] and won (2710) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 4: Khans1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mucheese folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: PRB31 showed [Qs Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: dcperal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Psychodad67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
PokerStars Game #28451800881: Tournament #165503155, $1.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/05/21 11:36:18 ET
Table '165503155 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: below-me44 (1915 in chips)
Seat 2: MattSilesia (1405 in chips)
Seat 3: el moldo (2475 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Khans1 (1125 in chips)
Seat 5: Mucheese (2650 in chips)
Seat 7: PRB31 (1330 in chips)
Seat 8: dcperal (1145 in chips)
Seat 9: Psychodad67 (1455 in chips)
MattSilesia: posts small blind 50
el moldo: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PRB31 [Qs Qd]
el moldo has returned
Khans1: folds
Mucheese: folds
PRB31: raises 350 to 450
dcperal: folds
Psychodad67: folds
below-me44: folds
MattSilesia: folds
el moldo: calls 350
*** FLOP *** [5h 8s 9h]
el moldo: checks
PRB31: bets 400
el moldo: calls 400
*** TURN *** [5h 8s 9h] [8h]
el moldo: checks
PRB31: bets 480 and is all-in
el moldo: calls 480
*** RIVER *** [5h 8s 9h 8h] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
el moldo: shows [Qc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
PRB31: shows [Qs Qd] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
el moldo collected 2710 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2710 | Rake 0
Board [5h 8s 9h 8h Ks]
Seat 1: below-me44 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MattSilesia (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: el moldo (big blind) showed [Qc Kc] and won (2710) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 4: Khans1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mucheese folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: PRB31 showed [Qs Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: dcperal folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Psychodad67 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Comments
Non all-in on the flop is a bad bet.
/g2
Also, this isn't that "insane" of a bad beat....because of your flop bet he was calling only 480 more, albeit, with no pair/no draw, but nonetheless, these beats are expected in a $1 mtt/sng...
Party Poker $200000.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
SB: $111563.00
BB: $15775.00
UTG: $92748.00
UTG+1: $23642.00
MP1: $60368.00
Hero (MP2): $43837.00
CO: $61756.00
BTN: $177712.00
Pre Flop: ($3000.00) Hero is MP2 with J:d: K:c:
3 folds, Hero raises to $4789, CO calls $4789, 3 folds
Flop: ($12578.00) 3:s: Q:h: 8:s: (2 players)
Hero bets $8600.00, CO calls $8600
Turn: ($29778.00) J:s: (2 players)
Hero bets $30248.00, CO calls $30248
River: ($90274.00) 9:s: (2 players)
Final Pot: $90274.00
Hero shows J:d: K:c:
CO shows 7:d: 7:s:
CO wins $91874.00
"The tragedy of life is not that man loses, but that he almost wins."
Generally I wouldn't even be playing KJo out of position, but a lot of what Villian is doing may be on his "read" of you. What does he think of you, ie tight, loose, whatever. Maybe he put you on air and was calling for value... Gotta remember what your image is to others.. and how could you "read" that he doesn't have a Q? More like he "read" that you didn't have a Q and you got lucky on the turn, then he got more lucky on the river, kinda like a suckout for you and a resuckout for him...
it's easy to look at these from a results perspective, but much more important to look at them from the position of, what did the other person think I had at the time he made the decision?
IMO my bet of 350 pre-flop was solid. BB was 100. Not trying to sp or anything silly.
Then after a weak flop betting 400 into a pot of 750. Again not a monster bet but QK calls? Come on. Then buddy calls 480 bet after the turn with no draws, only K high. I am surprised you guys don't feel my pain. lol
I felt that if this specific player, due to hand hand history, did have a Q then he'd most likely raise this flop for sure....however, I'm not saying I was 100% sure that I knew he didn't have a Q and somehow read his soul: I figured I was either way ahead or way behind once the turn hit.
And if I'm in his spot, I'm never ever calling this flop with 77: It's pretty terrible that he calls that flop because there's a tonne of hands that I can represent that have him beat now, I've put out a pretty decent sized flop bet indicating strength, I have only shown down strong hands previous to this one, and not only that but how many good turn cards can come for him with 77, he's pretty much hoping to hit a two-outer.
Oh and I asked him how he could call after the hand (I'll admit, I was on tilt), his response was that he had a spade....
Best play would have prob been a post flop shove although in this case I am sure it would have resulted in a call.
No strat in BBV please, but since we're on the topic:
Fold pre and you dont lose here.
So a call is bad. This should be a brag.
Calls are good of course when I have the best hand, but looking back at the board there are a bunch of potential for flushes and draws (after flop) that could beat my QQ. At the time I thought my flop bet of 400 (750 pot) was large enough to shut down a flush draw etc. It may not have been.
In this case the guy never had anything other than a reasnoble call preflop.
400 + 750 = 1150.
1150 / 400 = just under 3 to 1 for him to call. That's pretty much perfect odds for him to chase if he is four to a flush.