To trap or not to trap

Cash game…, $1/$2 blinds…, 8 handed…,

UTG+2 (TAG) limps…, next person to act (very LAG) makes it $5.75..., folded around to SB (TIGHT PASSIVE), contemplates and calls…, you are the BB, have everyone covered by atleast 3-1, you look down and see pocket rockets! :)

Note: Table is well aware that you are on a rush! Will likely fold hands to a 2x-3x the amount of the original raise or push all-in if holding a descent mid-top PP or High-A (which I don't believe they have anyways).

Having said that, what’s the correct move here to maximize hand value?!?! Call/Raise?!? Comments?!?

Comments

  • raise to 25.38. tell those chips not to worry, their buddies will be along shortly.

    when it all goes in on the flop, be sure to say 'see you in hell, my friends'. then chop with SB
  • with the TAG limp UTG+2, I'd think that he has a decent hand and was wanting the LAG (or someone) to raise so he could come over the top.

    Not real keen on a call here and possibly 4 to see the flop. I make it about $30 and try to get someone out of the pot.
  • Hang on here...

    A: You have a TAG limping
    B: You have a LAG raising
    C: You have a TP calling

    Let's do some algebra

    A = someone aware that there's a LAG beside them and waiting to re-pop
    B = Someone who you're beating and will pride call at least
    C = Someone who's probably set-mining

    A+B+C+YourRaise = blatant squeeze play perception

    So.... let's assume that "TRAP" = A+B+C+YourTrappyCall

    Let's also assume that

    A+B+C+YourRaise = WinMoney
    TRAP = LoseMoney

    Since WinMoney > LoseMoney, therefore A+B+C+YourRaise > A+B+C+YourTrappyCall

    Man.. I'm a dork

    Mark
  • i'm probably gonna have to call a wtf violation...
  • MCflip73 wrote: »
    Here comes the flop..., 5-3-7 two hearts..., UTG+2 checks, original raiser checks, SB checks as well and so what do you do now?!?

    something is missing. how did everyone check before you acted in the BB?

    why go back and edit your post with ongoing details? just put it on the end of the thread then it will show up in the 'new posts' and people will realize there is something to read.
  • I would probably have min-raised pf to get UTG+2 out of there (who is most likely setmining and will fold a raise). If the other guy is super LAG he is probably gonna call any bet there.
  • pkrfce9 wrote: »
    something is missing. how did everyone check before you acted in the BB?

    why go back and edit your post with ongoing details? just put it on the end of the thread then it will show up in the 'new posts' and people will realize there is something to read.

    Sorry Greg.., will post at end of thread next time.

    flop 5-3-7 two hearts

    As for the action post flop...., correction..., SB checks, I decided to check as well hoping that the original raiser would c-bet (planning on raising here), UTG+2 checks as well as the original bettor.

    Turns comes 8.

    Now, let's go back to the original question.

    Again, I didn't really put these three on any hand, I still don't, since the original bettor checked the flopped, I am planning to take the lead now(although I know it's a bit late). What would be a proper bet here? Should I go on trapping or should I go ahead and end it here?!?!

    Comments?!?! Problems you see playing with this approach?!? Would love to correct it if flawed! Thanks in advance.
  • I got a bad feeling about the outcome of this hand.....you got an overpair against a very scary board... and against multi way action....

    trapping? who's trapping who??
  • MCflip73 wrote: »
    Should I go on trapping or should I go ahead and end it here?!?!

    Isn't the point of trapping when the pot is worth trapping for? I think you need to bet into the flop and try to force some action. At this point you might as well bet and hope that nobody caught one of the many cards that you let them see for free.
  • You have to bet that flop to see where you stand.
  • You have to bet that flop to see where you stand.

    That's *SO* 2004...
  • BBC Z wrote: »
    That's *SO* 2004...

    like check raising is so 2007.
  • well, i don't like where you are but seeing as you are here, start betting dammit.

    you could already be behind a set or straight i suppose or against someone drawing at a flush or straight. so getting called or raised should not come as a surprise. as an added bonus, you are out of position.

    bet something around 2/3 of the pot. when one of the players raises you, base your decision on what your opponent's most likely hand could be.
  • So..., SB checks and I go out betting!

    Now, Pkrfce mentioned somewhere in the neighbourhood of 2/3 the size of the pot would be sufficient at this point! (Dammit..., if I only knew then what I know now - all would've gone smooth!) Your chip leader only throws out a bet 1/3 of the pot size!

    UTG+2 comtemplates and said..., "you really want me to 'hit' that miracle card do you?!?!..." and calls! Original raiser was bluffing from the get go and folds, SB follows suit and mucks!

    River comes 10h. (Community now shows 5-3-7-8-10 w/3 hearts)

    I bet out a little more than 1/2 the pot size. UTG+2 says..., "why did I have to 'hit'..." and contemplates long and hard on folding! Apparently, when asked, I now have a flush for some reason! He shows J9o!!!

    Comments?!?! Suggestions for future reference?!?!
  • so he was calling 1/3 of the pot for a 3-outer? good game.

    i think if there is anything to take away from this, i would avoid pointing out how poorly planned a charity event is to a touchy frenchy
  • pkrfce9 wrote: »
    i think if there is anything to take away from this, i would avoid pointing out how poorly planned a charity event is to a touchy frenchy

    ROFLMAO!!!

    What's with you and this Michelle dude anyways?!?! lol
  • ain't no thang. jus some guyz gots no humer
  • roses are red,
    violets are blue
    I'd re-raise against 3
    and you are also oop

    muthafucka's
  • Kristy_Sea wrote: »
    roses are red,
    violets are blue
    I'd re-raise against 3
    and you are also oop

    muthafucka's

    I prefer Haiku. Please translate.
  • Calling is Stupid
    Slowplaying causes cancer
    Raise that MF'R
  • Even donkies raise
    When in hand rockets they find
    Grow some bigger balls
  • Bzzt, I detect a haiku violation.
  • DrTyore wrote: »
    Calling is Stupid
    Slowplaying causes cancer
    Raise that MF'R

    9.

    Good use of 5/7/5 technique.

    Deduction of one point for abbreviating your swear. I will reevaluate if you can revise to include full swear.
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    9.

    Good use of 5/7/5 technique.

    Deduction of one point for abbreviating your swear. I will reevaluate if you can revise to include full swear.

    How about "raise those dumbasses"?

    Mark
  • I think you missed the whole point of trapping. Trapping equals more risk, but should also yield more reward. This is a very poorly played hand. In fact, you would of made more money raising pre-flop I am sure. Pocket As is also definitely not a hand you want to see go 4-way action on.

    When the flop came, you are already over-valuing your cards in a 4 way hand. Should of lead out like you have top-pair, not sure if there were 1 or 2 hearts on the flop, but there could be potential straight/flush draws. Have to lead out.
  • Pocket As is also definitely not a hand you want to see go 4-way action on.

    Booo
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    I prefer Haiku. Please translate.

    actually I considered a haiku first, but I thought it was trying too hard....



    however if that's your thing, how 'bout this?

    (To the tune of 'Do your ears hang low')

    Do your balls hang low
    Do they wobble to and fro

    Can you play the flop with just aces,
    and are you good then? will you know?

    Could be you're just bolder,
    but I'd rather a couple folds here

    Raise preflop... and heads up ..we go.
  • Kristy_Sea wrote: »
    actually I considered a haiku first, but I thought it was trying too hard....



    however if that's your thing, how 'bout this?

    (To the tune of 'Do your ears hang low')

    Do your balls hang low
    Do they wobble to and fro

    Can you play the flop with just aces,
    and are you good then? will you know?

    Could be you're just bolder,
    but I'd rather a couple folds here

    Raise preflop... and heads up ..we go.

    Whether you like this answer or not, IT'S GOLD.

    All answers will henceforth be in doggerel form, with tune noted for the plebes. WP Kristy
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