4-6 or 7 players left in 9-10 person SnG
I have two things I am going to try to accomplish here. First, generate a small and to the point post, haha. Second, find out how to get past 4-6 place in a 10 table SnG.
I seem to have trouble with this part of the tournament.
What types of hands should I be playing? Style? I know I should be playing a little looser soemtimes, depending on how the table is going, but I find I lose my chips quickly at this point. If I do get to 3rd, I more often come in first, so I know I can play decently, and I know how to play fairly well, I just have troubles at this time.
I barely ever try to bluff at this point. Should I be doing this more? It seems that people are quite loose at the 4-6 players left part of the game. If I just sit back, I lose a lot to blinds?
Should I be looking at my beginning game to try to get more chips? I feel like I am quite good at extracting the most chips possible out of my opponents. So I am usually in a good chip position at this point in the game. They just seem to go so quickly!!
Should I tighten up more when it's 5 and 6 players left, then loosen up to knock the 4th placed guy out to get to the lovely 3 man table? (I like playing at this point and do quite well, and my chip situation doesn't really criple me as much as I would think).
So, let me know how you play during these times!!! Give me some advice!!
Thanks all!!!!
I seem to have trouble with this part of the tournament.
What types of hands should I be playing? Style? I know I should be playing a little looser soemtimes, depending on how the table is going, but I find I lose my chips quickly at this point. If I do get to 3rd, I more often come in first, so I know I can play decently, and I know how to play fairly well, I just have troubles at this time.
I barely ever try to bluff at this point. Should I be doing this more? It seems that people are quite loose at the 4-6 players left part of the game. If I just sit back, I lose a lot to blinds?
Should I be looking at my beginning game to try to get more chips? I feel like I am quite good at extracting the most chips possible out of my opponents. So I am usually in a good chip position at this point in the game. They just seem to go so quickly!!
Should I tighten up more when it's 5 and 6 players left, then loosen up to knock the 4th placed guy out to get to the lovely 3 man table? (I like playing at this point and do quite well, and my chip situation doesn't really criple me as much as I would think).
So, let me know how you play during these times!!! Give me some advice!!
Thanks all!!!!
Comments
have you read sklansky's book on tournament strategy? there may also be some good points in there for you.
have you read harrington's books on tourneys? they are not perfectly applicable but some of the points are useful for sngs.
learn all you can about ICM. google is your friend.
in general, pick up the aggression with fewer players remaining but pick your spots carefully. this has a lot to do with your opponents and position. there is no simple formula i can give you. post some hand histories with your reads on your opponents and i can comment on those specific situations.
good luck.
I had a lot more 'luck' today when playing. Basically what I did was I tried to distract myself from the game a little by reading about poker during the game. I then applied what I was reading to the game. I'll post some hands in a bit for advice.
On a side note, I was playing AK very well. I won every pot with it. I kept raising pre-flop, I would get one caller, then I raised after the flop every time. There was only one time someone called me after the flop, and I hit an A on it anyway, so I ended up getting more money from him. So, yeah, the beginning was great, but the middle was horrible. Here are a few hands.
***** Hand History for Game 7291783727 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:20:13 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (7000)
Seat 2: adprocas (2300)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (4940)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (2630)
Seat 7: mcainsh (1680)
Seat 8: jimy1132 (1450)
jimy1132 posts small blind (100)
PokerFux07 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ 9c, 9d ]
adprocas raises (600) to 600
chipsforme2 folds
ChanFan111 folds
mcainsh folds
jimy1132 raises (1350) to 1450
jimy1132 is all-In.
PokerFux07 calls (1250)
adprocas raises (1700) to 2300
adprocas is all-In.
PokerFux07 calls (850)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7s, Jc, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
Creating Main Pot with $4350 with jimy1132
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1700 with adprocas
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4350 | Side Pot 1: 1700
Board: [ 7s Jc Jd 4s 2d ]
PokerFux07 balance 4700, lost 2300 [ 9h Ac ] [ a pair of Jacks -- Ac,Jc,Jd,9h,7s ]
adprocas balance 6050, bet 2300, collected 6050, net +3750 [ 9c 9d ] [ two pairs, Jacks and Nines -- Jc,Jd,9c,9d,7s ]
chipsforme2 balance 4940, didn't bet (folded)
ChanFan111 balance 2630, didn't bet (folded)
mcainsh balance 1680, didn't bet (folded)
jimy1132 balance 0, lost 1450 [ Ad Qd ] [ a pair of Jacks -- Ad,Qd,Jc,Jd,7s ]
This was just before the next hand, and adds to the tilt, I think
BTW, I knew the other guy was going to push me all in with him, so I tried to push him out by re-raising. I remember thinking about this one for a long time. I was either going to go all-in, or fold. I chose to go all-in in hopes the other guy would fold.
***** Hand History for Game 7291787241 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:23:03 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (4900)
Seat 2: adprocas (5850)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (4740)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (2630)
Seat 7: mcainsh (1880)
PokerFux07 posts small blind (100)
adprocas posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ 5c, Ks ]
chipsforme2 calls (200)
ChanFan111 folds
mcainsh folds
PokerFux07 folds
adprocas checks
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 7d, Kh ]
adprocas checks
chipsforme2 bets (200)
adprocas raises (800) to 800
chipsforme2 calls (600)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5h ]
adprocas checks
chipsforme2 checks
** Dealing River ** : [ 4s ]
adprocas bets (800)
chipsforme2 calls (800)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3700
Board: [ Kd 7d Kh 5h 4s ]
PokerFux07 balance 4800, lost 100 (folded)
adprocas balance 7750, bet 1800, collected 3700, net +1900 [ 5c Ks ] [ a full house, Kings full of Fives -- Ks,Kd,Kh,5c,5h ]
chipsforme2 balance 2940, lost 1800 [ Th Td ] [ two pairs, Kings and Tens -- Kd,Kh,Th,Td,7d ]
ChanFan111 balance 2630, didn't bet (folded)
mcainsh balance 1880, didn't bet (folded)
This is where I feel I kind of went on tilt. I started playing a little bit looser, mostly because everyone was playing so tight. Either way, I hit a good hand here.
I also wanted to add that I should have bet on the turn. I was trying to make him feel like he hit the best hand if he hit anything more than the KK. He was playing tight, so I just raised on the river an amount I figured he would call. I was hoping he would raise me, so I could re-raise him all-in. I didn't want to bet too small in case he didn't raise my bet, so 800 was the decision. Like I said, I should have bet on the turn since he was previously playing so tight.
***** Hand History for Game 7291790972 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:26:11 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (4800)
Seat 2: adprocas (7650)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (2140)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (1850)
Seat 7: mcainsh (3560)
chipsforme2 posts small blind (200)
ChanFan111 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ As, Jc ]
mcainsh folds
PokerFux07 calls (400)
adprocas raises (1200) to 1200
chipsforme2 folds
ChanFan111 raises (1450) to 1850
ChanFan111 is all-In.
PokerFux07 folds
adprocas calls (650)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qh, 9c, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Td ]
Creating Main Pot with $4300 with ChanFan111
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4300
Board: [ Qh 9c 7s 7d Td ]
PokerFux07 balance 4400, lost 400 (folded)
adprocas balance 5800, lost 1850 [ As Jc ] [ a pair of Sevens -- As,Qh,Jc,7s,7d ]
chipsforme2 balance 1940, lost 200 (folded)
ChanFan111 balance 4300, bet 1850, collected 4300, net +2450 [ Qd Qs ] [ a full house, Queens full of Sevens -- Qd,Qs,Qh,7s,7d ]
mcainsh balance 3560, didn't bet (folded)
The reason I called this guy is to hopefully knock him out. Again, fairly tight attempt to steal blinds (it didn't happen all that often, and I only really tried when I had a decent hand.
***** Hand History for Game 7291793341 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:28:07 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (4000)
Seat 2: adprocas (5200)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (2340)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (5500)
Seat 7: mcainsh (2960)
ChanFan111 posts small blind (200)
mcainsh posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ 2c, 2h ]
PokerFux07 folds
adprocas raises (800) to 800
chipsforme2 folds
ChanFan111 folds
mcainsh folds
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1000
PokerFux07 balance 4000, didn't bet (folded)
adprocas balance 5800, bet 800, collected 1400, net +600
chipsforme2 balance 2340, didn't bet (folded)
ChanFan111 balance 5300, lost 200 (folded)
mcainsh balance 2560, lost 400 (folded)
As you can tell in the above, I was second in chips and the table was very tight. I took a stab at the pot with my bottom pair.
Now, I did this because I figured everyone else would fold, or I would get one caller. I was late in position, sensed weakness pre-flop, but of course still had 3 more people to try to push out of the pot after me, but I figured my chances of stealing the pot were greater, since everyone was so tight.
***** Hand History for Game 7291793853 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:28:33 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (4200)
Seat 2: adprocas (5800)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (2340)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (5300)
Seat 7: mcainsh (2360)
PokerFux07 posts small blind (200)
adprocas posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ 9s, Qs ]
chipsforme2 folds
ChanFan111 folds
mcainsh folds
PokerFux07 calls (200)
adprocas raises (400) to 800
PokerFux07 calls (400)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 6h, 7c ]
PokerFux07 bets (3400)
PokerFux07 is all-In.
adprocas folds
Creating Main Pot with $1600 with PokerFux07
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1600
Board: [ 9h 6h 7c ]
PokerFux07 balance 5000, bet 4200, collected 5000, net +800
adprocas balance 5000, lost 800 (folded)
chipsforme2 balance 2340, didn't bet (folded)
ChanFan111 balance 5300, didn't bet (folded)
mcainsh balance 2360, didn't bet (folded)
I took another stab at the tight table pot, but obviously didn't win that one
Good or bad move?
***** Hand History for Game 7291794482 *****
200/400 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:29:05 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (5000)
Seat 2: adprocas (5000)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (2340)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (5300)
Seat 7: mcainsh (2360)
adprocas posts small blind (200)
chipsforme2 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ Ad, Tc ]
ChanFan111 folds
mcainsh folds
PokerFux07 folds
adprocas: couldn't call that with a pair of nines and no other draws, haha
adprocas raises (600) to 800
chipsforme2 raises (1940) to 2340
chipsforme2 is all-In.
adprocas calls (1540)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 5s, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7h ]
Creating Main Pot with $4680 with chipsforme2
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4680
Board: [ 6c 5s Jc Qs 7h ]
PokerFux07 balance 5000, didn't bet (folded)
adprocas balance 2660, lost 2340 [ Ad Tc ] [ high card Ace -- Ad,Qs,Jc,Tc,7h ]
chipsforme2 balance 4680, bet 2340, collected 4680, net +2340 [ Kh 6d ] [ a pair of Sixes -- Kh,Qs,Jc,6d,6c ]
ChanFan111 balance 5300, didn't bet (folded)
mcainsh balance 2360, didn't bet (folded)
I didn't like this one. I wish it wasn't in here. When he re-raised, I should have folded.
This particular player was re-raising with crazy weird hands, like K 6os, so I felt I would win if it came down to high card draw.
Either way, I should have saved my chips at this point. I think he was just trying to call my bluff, and he did and won. I wouldn't have called it with that hand, but to each his own I guess.
***** Hand History for Game 7291796388 *****
300/600 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 41495508) - Mon Aug 11 22:30:39 EDT 2008
Table Speed 1330810 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: PokerFux07 (4400)
Seat 2: adprocas (2660)
Seat 4: chipsforme2 (5280)
Seat 6: ChanFan111 (6200)
Seat 7: mcainsh (1460)
PokerFux07 posts small blind (300)
adprocas posts big blind (600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to adprocas [ Kh, Jd ]
chipsforme2 folds
ChanFan111 raises (1200) to 1200
mcainsh folds
PokerFux07 folds
adprocas calls (600)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ah, Qh, 7s ]
adprocas bets (1200)
ChanFan111 raises (5000) to 5000
ChanFan111 is all-In.
adprocas calls (260)
adprocas is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
Creating Main Pot with $5620 with adprocas
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5620
Board: [ Ah Qh 7s Jc 7c ]
PokerFux07 balance 4100, lost 300 (folded)
adprocas balance 0, lost 2660 [ Kh Jd ] [ two pairs, Jacks and Sevens -- Ah,Jd,Jc,7s,7c ]
chipsforme2 balance 5280, didn't bet (folded)
ChanFan111 balance 9160, bet 6200, collected 9160, net +2960 [ Ac Qd ] [ two pairs, Aces and Queens -- Ac,Ah,Qd,Qh,Jc ]
mcainsh balance 1460, didn't bet (folded)
I felt like I could push him off of this after the flop. I don't know why. I should have known he had a decent hand. I was on the inside straight draw though, and was kind of hoping for something lucky. I know, it's silly to raise with only an inside straight draw, but I felt desperate.
i think you'll get better discussions going if you post the hands individually rather than a whole bunch all at once. it gets too confusing and no one wants to put in the work to comment on 50 hands...
i have picked this one to comment on.
#1 don't tell people you are folding top pair on a short table. you are setting yourself up for a raping from that point forward. this may have contributed to his pushing here.
#2 you have about 12xBB. folded to you in the SB with a short stack in the BB. your hand is big enough to go against his random hand, so push and pick up the blinds most of the time without a fight. min-raising out of position bloz.
#3 i disagree with your comment about folding. you are getting something like 2-1 and you are well ahead of his range. calling here is a must unless you are absolutely certain he has AA.
again cosign... try picking one hand that you feel you played well/poorly and start a new thread, discuss it..when you're satisfied...post another hand.
I agree...but I would take it even further.
Don't tell anyone anything, yet. Chirping/Chatting is fun: but you need to be focused on what you're playing, and doing it well.
So unless you had a great reason for that comment like "I was planning on abusing the tight image I had created with a raising spree"
bad Adpro!
I disagree. I cannot imagine why you WOULDN'T want to get all opponent's chips in, we all agree adpro's likely ahead?
Min-raising accomplished that.
Position is irrelevant against this short stack player. Pkrfce shoves there and picks up the blinds/antes ONLY when we've got the best hand,
none of the ones you are behind/flipping with are folding there...
You or I get all your opponent's chips in behind more often, someone's going to take Crazy's chips..why not us? (as per his read)
You were right to call, and had your odd bet been part of your plan to get him to shove, you would have played this just fine...
suggestion: try to have a desired outcome in mind when choosing an action.
I'm debating now if I'm MTT thinking this?
oh well, Ricky Bobby 4lyfe!