This hand made me want to slit my throat
This hand made me want to kill myself. FK LIFE!
It basically ruined my day, instead of being up $1000 i just about broke even for the day (+100) due to this crappy hand. My thoughts on the turn was he was basically repping an overpair or was bluffing. I thought he had hardly no outs but he suprisingly had low flush draw. When i called the turn i was planning to call any river bet and if he checked i would shove. Gay card, gg, i lose massive pot.
Also, u will all probably critisize my preflop play but w/e you werent playing. His stats were 44/30 playing very loose and agressive. Let me know your thoughts. K thx.
It basically ruined my day, instead of being up $1000 i just about broke even for the day (+100) due to this crappy hand. My thoughts on the turn was he was basically repping an overpair or was bluffing. I thought he had hardly no outs but he suprisingly had low flush draw. When i called the turn i was planning to call any river bet and if he checked i would shove. Gay card, gg, i lose massive pot.
Also, u will all probably critisize my preflop play but w/e you werent playing. His stats were 44/30 playing very loose and agressive. Let me know your thoughts. K thx.
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Flop play was bad - too passive, if you think you're good, re-pop him and protect your hand, if you don't think you're good, fold. If you think you have some value as a bluff catcher, well, I disagree.
Turn play was bad - too passive. You've hit your money card that you were hoping for. Raise it after his re-raise... you're now playing for a pot over $200 with a hand that probably shouldn't even have seen the flop and you're likely ahead. The BB is pretty much pot committed now if you push him all in (he'd have to push his last $218 into $531).
He made mistakes, but you didn't punish him for them.. on the flop he's actually a favorite over you, and on the turn, still has a creepy amount of outs. You never at any point made him pay for them.
Mark
flop - either raise to see where you stand or muck; he could have an over pair, flush or straight draw and you are hoping for one of five likely outs; the three aces may not be outs if he has 45. Will this guy pay you off with a pair on board (if you hit your trips on the turn)? Why did you call the re-raise pre-flop if you were not going to take advantage of your position on the flop? I fold in this situation;
turn - you have to raise at this point; you are not getting anymore money if this guy misses on the river so make him pay to see the last card.
He was extremely aggressive with his flush draw (especially that turn bet). Guys got balls.
if i ever have note on guys that 3bet me with trash.
i'll 4bet him always with any two(of course i fold to a shovel) Flop...floating....i am most likely fold here, i didn't want to play a big 3bet pot with weak holding. (ya, i know, me been passive) specially against villian's stats.
Turn. it's just a lead to cooler
villian stats, he is never ever gonna fold with FD + GS, and if you raise there, he is probly shovel to you face, so there is no way to avoid the result. but you should still have to raise there.
River: cooler, it's hard to put him on flush draw.
Yeah well.. its easy to say that when his hand is face up. Hes 3betting me and i was putting him on a range like an overpair or a bluff when he bet $100 on the turn. At that point i thought he had no outs or 2 outs with an overpair. I was planning on shoving any river or calling any river bet once he puts $100 in on the turn.
If he has AA there or KK or even AK there trying to make me fold something marginal my play looks more genius.
Its also worth nothing i have 77% equity on the turn even though he has a gutter and a flush draw. I think preflop is fine since we are both deep and hes playing super lose, flop float was to find out if im ahead or not. I didnt call turn without a plan, basically calling that $100 was committing me no matter what river.
Someone said that i should raise the flop if u think im good but thats so wrong its unreal. I can find out where i am for the cbet. 9 times out of 10 if villan has overcards he is check folding the turn, so when he checks turn i can bet and take it down.
Villans range was in my opinion heavily weighted towards overpair or bluff. I was honestly shocked to see flush, i snap called river aswell.
I think his range was weighted to big cards and big pairs. Although i was evidently wrong... Villan was opening alot playing very lag but didnt seem like he was 3betting super light. That might make my play make more sense since i usually go with my reads. safe play was to shove the turn. maximum evplay was to call turn.
Might also be worth noting if villan missed his 23% chance on the river i could see him shoving often as a total airbluff.
No it doesn't.
If he has AA / KK there, you're giving him a draw with the AA for free, and if another straight / flush card hits the board on the river, it allows him to get away from the hand. You're pretty sure you're ahead now, let's look at scenarios
You check / call behind - allows free cards to whatever hands / draws he has - even if it is "only" KK, you're not making him make a mistake if he doesn't have to make a call to "only" 2 outs
You fold - Not really an option
You raise - Best option because a: It makes him pay for his draws, and B: if he does have AA / KK, then, as I said earlier, he's more likely to put money in (because of pot commitment) than he is if a flush / straight card drops - costing you potential profit. If he's bad enough to call off the rest of his money without a straight / flush when such a card drops, he'll put it in now too.
Mark
EDIT: You edited yours, and in retrospect, I don't much care for the flop bet either. I change that suggestion. The rest of what I say I stand by though.
WRONG
He's committed at this point getting like 2.5:1 on his money.. I doubt he'd fold that turn.
Again, if you never bet at him, he's never making a big mistake.
Mark
1) DrTyOre's assement of the hand is not based on results. You played it weak. You need to force your opponent to make a mistake.
2) Yeah well.. its easy to say that when his hand is face up. You didn't know that you were 77% there.
3) If you think he's cbetting, you need to raise the flop. If he shoves over you, you're prob beat here.
4) when you post HH, hide the results.
And don't bitch about the feedback you get... We're not attacking man-pride
My perception on the turn was i was alot more then a 77% equity. Overall i think i would be close to 90% equity against his whole hand range. Theres a big difference between what is optimum against his hand and whats optimum against his hand range. From history of past hands, his stats, his betting and the general feel i had on him i was sure i took the most optimum line. It only looks bad because i had he had a draw which hit. Hes gonna have a draw less then 1/10th of the time.
His range is basically air or a hand with 2 outs atleast 80% of the time. and if you say i put him on like TT-AA on turn and you say i should shove then your stupid. Hes folding all of those. But... if i flat the turn hes valuebetting/shoving AA or KK on the river im sure of it.
I don't like your attitude, but I for one do no disagree with your actions.
Preflop, its 3 handed, so not really an issue with calling there.
Flop, standard peel should that be your read (2 overs).
Turn, A lot of people say raise, but theres no real need to. If you have a super aggro doing the betting for you, don't scare him off from bluffing. If your still going on your original read of 2 overs, at least give him 6 outs to stack him. If you now put him on an over pair, a raise would be profitable. Me as the villian in that spot would be a check raise, so putting him with a flush draw there is extremely diffificult to do. Putting him on a good straight draw would be silly.
River, I hate river shoves. Bluff or the goods, your read.
YOU ARE ALL SEEING THIS WRONG! You are using perfect information. If you take into account the % hes bluffing (and i have said that its a very high %) and the hands in his range that will call a shove shove when i go allin on turn then your wrong. Getting 2.5:1 isnt good enough to call when your a 4.5:1 dog. He is not calling if i shove turn ever. He folds aces kings or any overpair. Only hand that will ever call is a set.
However, if i flat the turn and he has AA or KK i think he would valuebet shove the river, because i have not shown him that his overpair is beat. He may also bluff shove the river because i have shown no strength.
You fucking cheaters, you looked at the hand that he showed down then chastized hero for not folding him out.
Do any of you freshly minted kreskins really believe that a seven high flop with two hearts hit villians preflop raised hand that hard?
This forum honest to god gets stupider and stupider every single day.
Ive played anything from Nl100 to nl1k (on rare ocassions) mainly play nl200 and nl400. I enjoy mulittabling and less variance + higher winrate.
If I'm not seeing it right, or I'm not this that and the other, then ignoring the hand...
"This hand made me want to slit my throat"... He hit a 12 outer?
Big deal!
He re-raised on a steal attempt with suited connectors, and then kept betting with a pretty sick draw? again... big deal.
Mark
As I said, it takes balls to raise with this kind of draw; pocket 2, 3 or 7s, maybe. An overpair, maybe. Flush draw, didn't see it coming with that betting pattern. You know this guy probably burned off the money in the next half an hour anyways.
You're hot.
I hja e to sdidgres!
thkis is pure nonfdesense!
wse IOEKC!|
(espcilley me... focourse! )
i*eveil laigh(&&*
Hahahaha....
Looks like someone took the advice of drinking stupid amounts of alcohol!!
Mark
I got it all but this:
wse IOEKC!|
The rest I translated to:
I hja e to sdidgres! - I hate to digress!
thkis is pure nonfdesense! - This is not defensive!
wse IOEKC!| ????????? WE SUCK?
(espcilley me... focourse! ) - especially me of course
i*eveil laigh(&&* - *evil laugh*
I have to agree
This is pure nonsense
we suck
especially me of course
evil laugh (strap on insinuations)
(edit: I'm pretty confident about this translation...I'm fluent in drunk)
my girlfriend was getting pissed at me cuz I was signing really loud everything that played on mah supah winamp list!
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