VENT: Sick Reraise by Opponent

Graham

Going for the win... 6-man sit n go... and he calls off his stack with overpair no draws. Sure my hand wasn't the greatest, but I'd played the tournament like a rock, so thought 2 pair was the best hand, and I'd get him to lay down. Don't get how he makes this call.

Full Tilt Poker Game #7389745234: $33 + $3 Sit & Go (Turbo) (56190577), Table 1 - 80/160 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 22:30:06 ET - 2008/07/26
Seat 4: brbgraham (4,610)
Seat 5: pharand1 (4,390)
brbgraham posts the small blind of 80
pharand1 posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to brbgraham [5d Ks 4s 2d]
brbgraham calls 80
pharand1 raises to 320
brbgraham has 15 seconds left to act
brbgraham calls 160
*** FLOP *** [7h 2h 4d]
pharand1 bets 640
brbgraham raises to 2,560
pharand1 raises to 4,070, and is all in
brbgraham calls 1,510
pharand1 shows [9d 3d Js Jc]
brbgraham shows [5d Ks 4s 2d]
*** TURN *** [7h 2h 4d] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [7h 2h 4d 7c] [3h]
pharand1 shows two pair, Jacks and Sevens
brbgraham shows two pair, Sevens and Fours
pharand1 wins the pot (8,780) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8,780 | Rake 0
Board: [7h 2h 4d 7c 3h]
Seat 4: brbgraham (small blind) showed [5d Ks 4s 2d] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fours
Seat 5: pharand1 (big blind) showed [9d 3d Js Jc] and won (8,780) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens

BBC Z

Everyone one of your Omaha posts involves you playing stupid hands for raises and getting yourself into tough situations.

Graham

True... I have been trying to fix that hole, but when it gets down to HU almost any hand is live pre-flop. That doesn't really explain his reraise though...but thanks for commenting!

DonkJedi

Id have to say his call here is absolutely brutal. Given he knows that he is behind and I'll assume (possibly wrongly) that he knows at least a thing or two about omaha, there are essentially 2 outs for him to call for. He can't know that the board pairing up doesnt give you a bigger boat. Even given that he is still so far behind and off that board I can't see this call at all. Huge -ev call by villain.

Also HU in omaha is alot different than other variants for those unfamiliar. In most cases you are never more than a 60-40 dog with any random 4 cards. His raise doesn't say much imo. I usually only raise up with double suited draws with at least an ace in the mix, or co-ordinated hands that preferably have no danglers. His raise here and call is simply brutal.

PokerVector

I wouldn't call his raise to be brutal but the call absolutely is.

BBC Z

DonkJedi wrote: »

Also HU in omaha is alot different than other variants for those unfamiliar. In most cases you are never more than a 60-40 dog with any random 4 cards. His raise doesn't say much imo. I usually only raise up with double suited draws with at least an ace in the mix, or co-ordinated hands that preferably have no danglers. His raise here and call is simply brutal.

You know how I talk about results oriented thinking and how thats bad? This omaha strategy is built solidly on that crappy foundation. You play a hand, you have no idea if you are drawing at anything that it actually good, you lose the hand. Next you run over to twodimes.net and pop in the exact hands and say "oh, I was only a 40% dog"..

It's cool to check out your hand after the fact, but playing omahtrash makes it very difficult to play post-flop. Is villian on a better draw or a better made hand? If your hand and villians hand are going in the same direction, dont expect 60-40's

Wetts1012

Graham wrote: »

Sure my hand wasn't the greatest, but I'd played the tournament like a rock, so thought 2 pair was the best hand, and I'd get him to lay down.

This is a turbo sng.

If you think anyone has noticed your tight play you are wrong.

Also - lose the "any hand is live HU mentality". These are the kind of players that make any kind of HU profitable. Exploit these players, don't be one. That is - it's OK to give the villain a walk when the best possible outcome is a K high flush.

DonkJedi

played omaha profitably for a good few years overall. won the north american pot limit omaha tournament of champions in 2007 (carbon/poker.com) as well. i have a play style that works for me, it just happens i play a fairly standard odds oriented style of play.

if my post was misleading in anyway, allow me to be clear. i play a relatively tight style in terms of omaha. it is by no means rock abc but it works for me. double suited draws, non danglers co-ordinated. mix in decent board reading skills and some common sense. i can occassionaly bluff a naked ace, have the usual repertoir of dirty tricks like anyone else. but honestly - mostly an abc style player: slightly loose, passive aggressive.

and yes - any old hand is 60-40 but why raise the bottom half of that? it was a stupid raise preflop. it didn't move him off the hand, it couldn't by the tiny size of it. the raise was brutal because it was so darn small. and the post flop push was brutal for obvious reasons.

take opinion as you will.

Chuckieland

so, PL Ohama.
play shortstack and push allin every hand is profitable?

DonkJedi

they were't short stack - it was a tournament sit and go and stacks were relatively similiar. also its pot limit - not no limit. preflop its somewhat difficult to push all in. i re-read the post and thought he had raised less than the pot (320 was the raise which was what was in the pot, my initial read was that pot was 640 and it was half pot) so my mistake. easy one to make on a fast read.