Was this a good fold or not...
Played at a friend’s low limit cash game one weekend…, around 10 players or so at the table…, blinds increases every hour and at this point is at $1.50/$3.00. One hand in particular was definitely hard to fold but I feel I just had to…
Person UTG calls, a player in MP and LP calls, I’m at CO looking down at two red rockets so I raised the pot 4x BB to $12. Button ponders for awhile but eventually calls, SB/BB folds, UTG and MP calls, LP folds leaving us with 4 people battling for about a $50 pot or so.
Flop is Q-Q-x. UTG and MP checks to me and I c-bet $12. The button pops it up an additional $20.??? UTG and MP folds. Button tends to be loose aggressive player and have been known to bluff at pots so at this point, I really couldn’t put him on a pair let alone a set. I figured at best, he might have the “rag pair” and is just trying to use the scary flop or his position to make me fold. Siding on the side of caution however, I reluctantly called the extra $20 hoping to improve the hand even further. The pot is now over $110.
Turn is another Q. I figured I should have the best hand and he doesn't have the case Q coz there’s 3 of them showing up but just in case, I checked my boat to him and he bets out $10. At this point, there’s only one card that can beat me so I chk-raised him for an additional $30. Surprisingly, he just calls to see the river but again no help for either player! I checked the river (by this time, I’m simply willing to go to a show down). Button bets out another $10 and now my real headache begins.
Before making the decision, I played this hand again several times and I arrived to the conclusion that he must have the case Q (I don’t know if it’s the constant $10 bet he did that gave it away or the fact that he called my chk-raise on the turn – probably both). Just prior to folding, he also asked me if I had pocket Ks?!?! Another brain scratcher if you ask me – is he holding the other two rockets?!?! I figured that if he puts me on a big hand like that, he must have me beat and so I called out his “Q”, showed my bullets and mucked the hand.
Just shortly after, others at the table couldn’t believe I laid down the hand and are even willing to put in the extra $10 just so that he could show his hand. Was this a good fold or not?!?! Will post answer later.
Person UTG calls, a player in MP and LP calls, I’m at CO looking down at two red rockets so I raised the pot 4x BB to $12. Button ponders for awhile but eventually calls, SB/BB folds, UTG and MP calls, LP folds leaving us with 4 people battling for about a $50 pot or so.
Flop is Q-Q-x. UTG and MP checks to me and I c-bet $12. The button pops it up an additional $20.??? UTG and MP folds. Button tends to be loose aggressive player and have been known to bluff at pots so at this point, I really couldn’t put him on a pair let alone a set. I figured at best, he might have the “rag pair” and is just trying to use the scary flop or his position to make me fold. Siding on the side of caution however, I reluctantly called the extra $20 hoping to improve the hand even further. The pot is now over $110.
Turn is another Q. I figured I should have the best hand and he doesn't have the case Q coz there’s 3 of them showing up but just in case, I checked my boat to him and he bets out $10. At this point, there’s only one card that can beat me so I chk-raised him for an additional $30. Surprisingly, he just calls to see the river but again no help for either player! I checked the river (by this time, I’m simply willing to go to a show down). Button bets out another $10 and now my real headache begins.
Before making the decision, I played this hand again several times and I arrived to the conclusion that he must have the case Q (I don’t know if it’s the constant $10 bet he did that gave it away or the fact that he called my chk-raise on the turn – probably both). Just prior to folding, he also asked me if I had pocket Ks?!?! Another brain scratcher if you ask me – is he holding the other two rockets?!?! I figured that if he puts me on a big hand like that, he must have me beat and so I called out his “Q”, showed my bullets and mucked the hand.
Just shortly after, others at the table couldn’t believe I laid down the hand and are even willing to put in the extra $10 just so that he could show his hand. Was this a good fold or not?!?! Will post answer later.
Comments
I would have called the $10 on the end. If he has the Queen with the amount of money in the pot you have to pay him off.
Not sure if it was the hope to improve thing (which what besides an ace does that), or the question about the $10 river bet, which strikes me as rhetorical given the pot size.
You kind of played this hand all over, half like you were ahead (check raise), half like you were behind (river fold heh) when you kind of have to make up your mind at some point earlier in the hand.
If he really wants to basically min bet a couple streets in that situation with a queen just pay it off.
The result of the hand does not actually matter much.
/g2
A similar situation happened to me at my last cash game. The board was something like 3-3-9-x-3. My opponent made a pot-sized bet on the river, representing quads. I had a 9 and called. All he had were two overcards.
/g2
P.s. ... still LOL'ing at a cash game where the blinds go up. WTF?!?!
As far as not calling, I wasn't really thinking about pot odds at this point especially if and when "you are beat, you're beat"..., yeah I do have the 2nd nuts but something tells me otherwise they're no good in that hand. What I should've done is folded on his initial re-raise to $20 on the flop but I couldn't let them bullets go..., I was pretty much married to it from the start.
As far as the increasing blinds are concerned, truthfully that's the only way we (ourselves) can make our own home "friendly" game interesting without someone spending a whole week's worth of paycheque. I don't think I can go to any one of these casino and fork out $20 or $40 and be able to last me 6 hours of poker. Nevertheless, it is pretty hillarious though so I'll give you that.
Just because he ended up having the case queen, doesn't make folding top full house the right decision.
He could have done the same thing with a medium to high pocket pair.
wat?
If he showed you the Q 10 suited before you called on the river then indeed it would be a correct fold. Other then that, or your speedy development of a time travel based super power, the fold was still horrible.
If you thought you were behind on the flop due to his raise then a fold at that time and move on. You created the must call situation by the river more then your opponent. His mistake was not betting more.
Yeah I know El..., bad move all around..., talk about error snowballing as the game goes along now to think of it!
I think you know me well enough when it comes to calling bets and raises based on pot odds. Should've folded early..., the chk-raised on the flop should've done it (mistake #1, married to them AAs). Plus, I just wasn't so sure if he's just bluffing me or if he does have the set (mistake #2, should've re-popped em to find out or simply just fold).
Then the Q on the turn confused me even more (mistake #3, assuming he must not have it because there's 3 showing - went from him to possibly having it to him not having it). By this time, everything was just too little too late (mistake #4 the "ever so late" chk raise that got me what I needed to know to fold the 2nd nut hand).
In the end, I just figured my hand is beaten and just didn't want to put anymore money into the pot regardless how much the bet is (mistake #5, getting 20 to 1 on my money just to be certain it's not KKs or below).
Yeah, I'm still thinking like an amateur!
Who would fold AA preflop?