BEAT: failed to milk the donkey

playing in a fairly loose action-oriented 5/5 nl game. eff stacks are 500+.

one 1 limper to me (!) in LP. i raise to 30 with KJdd, 'cause that's the way i roll about 4% of the time.

two young, internet hot shots call from SB and BB, 'cause they are half way there and just know they can get all my chips when they crack my QQ+.

flop comes KhJs6s. note the 2 spades. they check, i bet 70, SB calls quickly, BB folds. i put SB either on flush draw or low set. i suppose OESD is possible but yucky. AK very unlikely given PF action.

i get gin on the turn with Ks. SB leads out quickly with 155. hmmm, either he has hit the flush or wants me to think he has (knowing i'm a nit and can't cal without a big hand or draw here) or he has a lower FH than me. given his aggression and my image, i figured he's betting again 75+% on the river and i didn't want to scare him off by raising now. bad decision i think.

the river comes Kc. he checks. i put out a weak 200 after thinking about it. he says he wouldn't have called even 50 and mucks the nut flush. damn. where's mario when you need him?

Comments

  • Don't you hate when a great hand gets in the way of a greater pot!
    Tough one Greg

    Milton Slim
  • I am trying to figure out how he was the donkey in this hand, seems he did not make any real mistakes :)

    I have played in a couple of those wild 5/5 games, I just find shoving in those types of situations to work out better as so many of the players will call with hands that will surprise you.


    I still remember shoving on a AQJ10 board as I had K4 suited with the flush draw. Other guy called the $500 more into the $200 pot so I figured a nice freeroll. River a brick, I show and say "oh well, was a nice freeroll situation" and then $1200+ comes my way when he shows 89.

    My friend learned the harder way that day in the 5/10 game when he bet small on a flop of AQ3 with his AA then lost his $1000 to K10 after a jack hit on the turn.
  • a great card for you, so you thought. Still a great outcome with the runner, runner kings. Maybe a Chicken Joe $5 bet on the river might have made him think you had nothing (and were being a smart ass) and he might have come over the top (as you hoped). It seems to work for CJ every once in a while.
  • I think that would have been the absolute WORST card to have come on the river for Greg. Anything else, and I'm sure he would have been called down on any bet.
  • Monteroy wrote: »
    I have played in a couple of those wild 5/5 games, I just find shoving in those types of situations to work out better as so many of the players will call with hands that will surprise you.
    lesson learned.

    when i called, i figured he put me on some kind of K (likely AK) or a poorly played AA or AJ. he should also consider KJ and 66 as possibilities. with the nut flush he likely has to call my push since he is ahead of most of that range. somehow i convinced myself a push would scare him away but i've changed my mind after thinking about it some more. after all from his eyes, why would i push if i'm sitting on something pretty close to the immortal nuts with 1 card to come? i could see he might think i was sitting on trips trying to prevent him from drawing out on me with a lone spade.

    a K, J or A on the river could kill my action, possibly a 6 which would put 2pr on the board. i had to dodge about 8 cards on the river to get paid off the way i approached it. so i blew likely a 90% chance he calls my 300+ push for about a 80% chance he pushes on a blank river. bad bad bad. i need to think about these things DURING the hand...
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    a great card for you, so you thought. Still a great outcome with the runner, runner kings.
    So he thought?

    Which card are you referring to, the turn or the river? Because the turn is probably the best card that could have hit, then the river is probably the worst possible*. None really have mistakable values.
    pokerJAH wrote: »
    Maybe a Chicken Joe $5 bet on the river might have made him think you had nothing (and were being a smart ass) and he might have come over the top (as you hoped). It seems to work for CJ every once in a while.
    Who is Chicken Joe?

    /g2

    * unless it won you a high-hand jackpot
  • g2 wrote: »
    Who is Chicken Joe?
    infamous local aggrotard. never met 2 cards he couldn't try to beat you with. believe it or not, i think he is busto now. don't worry though jimmy, his partner, 'el burro loco' is back in action...
  • pkrfce9 wrote: »
    infamous local aggrotard. never met 2 cards he couldn't try to beat you with. believe it or not, i think he is busto now. don't worry though jimmy, his partner, 'el burro loco' is back in action...

    that would be the brother then. I hazzard to guess that you added to the busto. He will be back, no doubt.
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    that would be the brother then. I hazzard to guess that you added to the busto. He will be back, no doubt.
    lol, no. the brother is 'the pirate'. he is loose but not really aggro. i'm talking about the uber aggrotard. 'umbeleefable'
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