Right Fold, Wrong Result... Could have won $1500 pot !!

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in Brags, Beats & Variance
Obviously the right fold. BUT, it sure would have been a big payday if I didn't...

PokerStars Game #16372211194: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/03/30 - 19:34:47 (ET)
Table 'Venetia V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: karolinjp ($1700.50 in chips)
Seat 2: JJ Okocha ($985 in chips)
Seat 3: slavik ($190 in chips)
Seat 4: Vicky Hart ($235 in chips)
Seat 5: Folded-AA ($640.10 in chips)
Seat 6: KingMe05 ($397 in chips)
Seat 7: Kelisitaan ($3764.25 in chips)
Seat 8: mza33 ($172 in chips)
Seat 9: brotn1 ($185.15 in chips)
slavik: posts small blind $5
Vicky Hart: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Folded-AA [Ts Tc]
Folded-AA: raises $30 to $40
KingMe05: folds
Kelisitaan: calls $40
mza33: folds
brotn1: folds
karolinjp: calls $40
JJ Okocha: folds
slavik: folds
Vicky Hart: raises $195 to $235 and is all-in
Folded-AA: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $195 to $430
karolinjp: raises $1270.50 to $1700.50 and is all-in
Kelisitaan: calls $1270.50
*** FLOP ***
Folded-AA said, "10 10"
*** TURN *** [2c]
*** RIVER *** [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelisitaan: shows [Kd Ah] (a pair of Tens)
karolinjp: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
karolinjp collected $2931 from side pot
Vicky Hart: mucks hand
Folded-AA said, "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
karolinjp collected $747 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3681 Main pot $747. Side pot $2931. | Rake $3
Board
Seat 1: karolinjp showed [Qs Qh] and won ($3678) with two pair, Queens and Tens
Seat 2: JJ Okocha (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: slavik (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Vicky Hart (big blind) mucked [Js Jc]
Seat 5: Folded-AA folded before Flop
Seat 6: KingMe05 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Kelisitaan showed [Kd Ah] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: mza33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: brotn1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Comments

  • schabsschabs
    Good laydown, bad luck on you hitting the flop.
  • Davis08Davis08
    thats unfortunate, good fold though.
  • actyperactyper
    Are you sure its the right fold?

    A 1/4 stack squeezes, I think I reshove there.
  • GrahamGraham
    That's rough, but in the long run it is +EV
  • NoVeLTeKNoVeLTeK
    i have no idea why u would reshove, good fold
  • westside8westside8
    actyper wrote: »
    A 1/4 stack squeezes, I think I reshove there.

    Could be a squeeze, or not. He moved it so I would give him credit for at least a hand you are racing with at the minimum unless he's a very laggy player. And...1010 is not a hand I would like to reshove with in this spot.
  • MarcoGDMarcoGD
    I admire the way you played this hand. I get myself into trouble with hands like this. I would have reraised to isolate the ¼ stack because it sure looks like a squeeze and with just a flat call and an overcall, I wouldn’t have given Kelisitaan or karolinjp (both large stacks) credit for real strength and I’m only a real dog to an overpair. Of course, I would have been wrong and sucked out to win this one anyways but, the fold was definitely the safe play here. Just too bad you had to see how it would have played out.

    Would anyelse have played it the way I would have? What should I be thinking in this spot? Go ahead guys, rip me to shreads…
  • actyperactyper
    Well I already posted that I would consider reshoving in that spot. Not saying its necessarily the correct decision, but definately worth thinking about. Then again I play only 6max. Here are my reasons:

    - short stack shove, definately squeeze looking, TT > than that range.
    - can't really expect hands like QQ/AK to call behind, must have been a really passive table.
    - you strengthen your UTG raise and should force the other guys out

    Why are these tables so ugly now, 6/9 short stacks? nasty.
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    I was almost the exact situation this weekend in a home tourney.

    Down to 5 players, top 3 get paid, and I'm the short stack by far, about 12BB's left, and I'm the SB.

    UTG standard raises 3xbb...UTG+1 3bets on top...I look down at 1010 and decide to push. UTG folds, UTG+1 calls with KK...out in fifth.

    One of the players already knocked out commented on how my push didn't make sense. I commented that I was short stacked, and lookign to double up now before the blinds increased again, needed to risk it. I don't think I made a bad move, just bad timing that's all.

    Good fold, folded.
  • MarcoGDMarcoGD
    MarcoGD wrote: »
    I admire the way you played this hand. I get myself into trouble with hands like this. I would have reraised to isolate the ¼ stack because it sure looks like a squeeze and with just a flat call and an overcall, I wouldn’t have given Kelisitaan or karolinjp (both large stacks) credit for real strength and I’m only a real dog to an overpair. Of course, I would have been wrong and sucked out to win this one anyways but, the fold was definitely the safe play here. Just too bad you had to see how it would have played out.

    Would anyelse have played it the way I would have? What should I be thinking in this spot? Go ahead guys, rip me to shreads…

    Nevermind. After rereading Harrington's Vol 1 Squeeze play (page 206) I can see it's a clear fold unless I'm holding KK or AA.
  • westside8westside8
    actyper wrote: »
    Well I already posted that I would consider reshoving in that spot. Not saying its necessarily the correct decision, but definately worth thinking about. Then again I play only 6max. Here are my reasons:

    - short stack shove, definately squeeze looking, TT > than that range.
    - can't really expect hands like QQ/AK to call behind, must have been a really passive table.
    - you strengthen your UTG raise and should force the other guys out

    Why are these tables so ugly now, 6/9 short stacks? nasty.

    I agree...6 max I will definitely think about a reshove. I thought I put that down but I guess I didn't. But full ring, I gladly fold
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