Beat - Didn't Listen To My Gut

GrahamGraham
in Brags, Beats & Variance
Dealt KK (I am grahamfuzion - I had about 400 more chips than grabovsky)....

dwh2005 Posts SB 15.00
quibbles Posts BB 30.00
grabovsky Raised to 90.00
olalahot Folds
VeniceJoe Folds
StaffShane Folds
grahamfuzion Raised to 570.00 (I raised this much because I figured if he snapped re-raised he had aces and I would fold.... but did I listen to my gut... nope)
DrRAISE Folds
dwh2005 Folds
quibbles Calls 540.00
grabovsky All In 1600.00
grahamfuzion Calls 1120.00
quibbles All In 760.00
grabovsky Shows AA
grahamfuzion Shows KK
quibbles Shows AQ
quibbles Out
grabovsky Won 720.00 from pot 2 with Two Pair Aces and Nines
grabovsky Won 4005.00 from pot 1 with Two Pair Aces and Nines

What would you do in this situation if you just have that gut feeling you are beat? Can you really lay down the 2nd best possible starting hand?

Comments

  • westside8westside8
    Graham wrote: »
    What would you do in this situation if you just have that gut feeling you are beat? Can you really lay down the 2nd best possible starting hand?

    With the stacks the way they are...no...unless it is live and the player shows me AA
  • GrahamGraham
    Yes... in the back of my mind I figured the two other players were on AX based on the call behind my raise.... I kept telling myself this in my head, even though my gut was saying hes got aces.
  • UnknownUnknown
    I think you could have gotten that information with a much smaller raise Graham, say to 350 or so.

    I think by raising this much you might have tipped him off to the fact that you had a great big hand, and he could get it all in with you with far and away the best of it.

    Personally, I don't think I'm good enough to fold kings ever, but maybe Watts could, or All_Aces.



    I really want to know what quibbles was thinking.
  • westside8westside8
    Graham wrote: »
    Yes... in the back of my mind I figured the two other players were on AX based on the call behind my raise.... I kept telling myself this in my head, even though my gut was saying hes got aces.

    There was actually only 1 other player...but same difference really.
  • UnknownUnknown
    westside8 wrote: »
    There was actually only 1 other player...but same difference really.

    I think there was two, Quibbles and Grabovsky.

    What site was this?
  • westside8westside8
    dinobot wrote: »
    I think there was two, Quibbles and Grabovsky.

    What site was this?

    Ahh..I misread. I thought he meant 2 and then the 1 guy with the AA.
  • waltsfriendwaltsfriend
    The only time I have ever come close to being able to fold pocket kings preflop was in a cash game against Blondefish. That was only because I had watched him play for several hours and it was live. I am not a good online player, but I have found myself in exactly the same situation many times. The problem is that I have bet exactly the same way and get called by someone with pocket queens or jacks or A-K or A-Q. I rather live with the chance of being against A-A than not have the chance of getting all-in against those other hands.
  • _obv__obv_
    If i folded KK preflop every time i thought the other guy has to have AA i would be up a lot less money than im actually up... you'd be surprised how many times people will show up with worse even when you think they have to have AA. I have folded KK 4 times preflop in my life... all 150+bbs deep, all multiway pots and all correctly... i have wanted to fold KK many other times and run into hands like AK, QQ or worse (and AA a bunch too of course). Don't over think things and talk yourself into folding KK preflop, especially at lower limits. Also, what is with that massive 3 bet?
  • UnknownUnknown
    I guess it's about being results oriented as well. Your gut probably feels a lot clearer when it's had it's hunch confirmed.

    There was a player who was willing to put in all his money against two others with AQ in that hand. The other guy could easily have had many other hands, including AK, and many pocket pairs.
  • GrahamGraham
    dinobot wrote: »
    I think there was two, Quibbles and Grabovsky.

    What site was this?

    Here's the thing... it was a freeroll on Carbon for Carbon poker affiliates (so it wasn't a big deal if I lost as I had nothing invested, but if I won, I could get an increase in rev that could result in a few $xxx). I knew the other player and we had been talking and I sensed he was getting bored and was trying to take off... all these things fed into my decision and even though my gut said fold, I just couldn't lay them down.
  • GrahamGraham
    _obv_ wrote: »
    If i folded KK preflop every time i thought the other guy has to have AA i would be up a lot less money than im actually up... you'd be surprised how many times people will show up with worse even when you think they have to have AA. I have folded KK 4 times preflop in my life... all 150+bbs deep, all multiway pots and all correctly... i have wanted to fold KK many other times and run into hands like AK, QQ or worse (and AA a bunch too of course). Don't over think things and talk yourself into folding KK preflop, especially at lower limits. Also, what is with that massive 3 bet?

    Very true... you know, the only reason I bet so big was b/c I sensed he had Aces even before and this was gonna be my way of telling. Obv I didn't end up listening to it after.
  • _obv__obv_
    Graham wrote: »
    Very true... you know, the only reason I bet so big was b/c I sensed he had Aces even before and this was gonna be my way of telling. Obv I didn't end up listening to it after.

    guy makes a 3x raise and you sense he has AA... i wish i had the ability to sense things like that
  • GrahamGraham
    _obv_ wrote: »
    guy makes a 3x raise and you sense he has AA... i wish i had the ability to sense things like that

    I know it sounds retarded, but don't you ever just get that gut feeling?
  • Juggling manJuggling man
    Only against players I've played with several times and only live. Online? If you have a gut feeling he has aces and you release KK, you have super-powers.
  • GrahamGraham
    I called at the last second.... I dont think I have super powers... just good intuition.... Yeah... its almost impossible to fold, but I swear on my life I almost did muck it.
  • Juggling manJuggling man
    Graham wrote: »
    I swear on my life I almost did muck it.

    He's a witch! BURN HIM!
  • MarcoGDMarcoGD
    I can't ever fold K's either, but I'm a donkey so don't listen to me.
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