So in fact, I raised to $50 on the river after the UTG player checked. This seems to be the most popular move at this point. The SB thinks for a few seconds and declares he is all-in. The UTG player thinks about it for a couple of minutes and declares he cannot fold his hand and also goes all-in. You are faced with an all-in decision now. Do you call
I would have to call, and hope he has nothing more than the other K and NOT A3 garbage.
Right on the money, A3 indeed. UTG had the 99s for a full house on the flop. Well of course this hand hurt, but what I found interesting was that the UTG player had a full house on the flop and checked it all the way down. Also the SB had the quads on the turn and checked it on the turn as well. Neither player seemed very good and was not one of the local rounders, but they definitely out played me on this hand. Hats off to them. I think what made me call was the fact that I checked the kings pre-flop and I figured nobody put me on kings. I think if I would have raised pre-flop with the kings, the A3 player would have folded and UTG would have called with his 99s. It was likely then that the guy with the full house on the flop would have raised on the flop in a heads-up situation. I would have likely got away from the hand with a raise on the flop or if the k did not improve my hand on the river. Glad to see that my decision to go all-in was the optimal move. Don't think I have seen a three way hand before with quads and two full houses.
I think if I would have raised pre-flop with the kings, the A3 player would have folded and UTG would have called with his 99s. It was likely then that the guy with the full house on the flop would have raised on the flop in a heads-up situation. I would have likely got away from the hand with a raise on the flop or if the k did not improve my hand on the river. Glad to see that my decision to go all-in was the optimal move. Don't think I have seen a three way hand before with quads and two full houses.
Having a hard time following the hypotheticals here. Are you saying if you raised and got into a HU pot with 99 that you would fold if he raised you on the 933 flop?
Having a hard time following the hypotheticals here. Are you saying if you raised and got into a HU pot with 99 that you would fold if he raised you on the 933 flop?
If the raise was substancial, I would likely fold on the flop. Obviously the UTG player was trying to trap us with his full house on the flop and if I was the only player in the hand, he would likely have come out with a sizable raise on the flop to milk the hand for what it was worth. I may have called a small raise on the flop and making the full house on the turn would have changed everything and I likely would not be folding after I hit my full house.
I have to agree with Pinhead. Given the hypothetical situation that you didn't follow Largay's risky tactic of limping in with KK and instead raised preflop, UTG would be even more likely to slow play his second nuts on the flop since he would expect you to keep betting.
The texture of the flop looks great for you, so you should make a continuation and value bet. UTG should continue to slow play unless he thinks that you will call an all-in. Since both of you have a full house by the turn, all the chips would have probably gone in. You would have gotten lucky and gotten your two-outer on the river and doubled up to more than $500. Unfortunately, that's poker.
IMHO, none of the three players played the hand badly. It's one of those very rare situations where all three players get the three best possible hands and everybody ends up all-in. As I posted in the original thread, my choice was to make a smaller than pot-sized bet on the river and then it would have been easier for me to fold after the two all-ins since my breakeven calling percentage would not have been so juicy.
Having a hard time following the hypotheticals here. Are you saying if you raised and got into a HU pot with 99 that you would fold if he raised you on the 933 flop?
The decision to limp with KK was obviously your downfall. We've all done this hoping to get a little action with a premium hand. I've found out playing 1/2 at Niagara that there are a whole lot of donkeys out there. It's rare to not get 2-3 callers with a $15 raise preflop and get called with KJ off or worse. So raise those kings at the 1/2 and you'll still get action. In that situation I would have called as well. :js :jd
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Right on the money, A3 indeed. UTG had the 99s for a full house on the flop. Well of course this hand hurt, but what I found interesting was that the UTG player had a full house on the flop and checked it all the way down. Also the SB had the quads on the turn and checked it on the turn as well. Neither player seemed very good and was not one of the local rounders, but they definitely out played me on this hand. Hats off to them. I think what made me call was the fact that I checked the kings pre-flop and I figured nobody put me on kings. I think if I would have raised pre-flop with the kings, the A3 player would have folded and UTG would have called with his 99s. It was likely then that the guy with the full house on the flop would have raised on the flop in a heads-up situation. I would have likely got away from the hand with a raise on the flop or if the k did not improve my hand on the river. Glad to see that my decision to go all-in was the optimal move. Don't think I have seen a three way hand before with quads and two full houses.
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Having a hard time following the hypotheticals here. Are you saying if you raised and got into a HU pot with 99 that you would fold if he raised you on the 933 flop?
If the raise was substancial, I would likely fold on the flop. Obviously the UTG player was trying to trap us with his full house on the flop and if I was the only player in the hand, he would likely have come out with a sizable raise on the flop to milk the hand for what it was worth. I may have called a small raise on the flop and making the full house on the turn would have changed everything and I likely would not be folding after I hit my full house.
The texture of the flop looks great for you, so you should make a continuation and value bet. UTG should continue to slow play unless he thinks that you will call an all-in. Since both of you have a full house by the turn, all the chips would have probably gone in. You would have gotten lucky and gotten your two-outer on the river and doubled up to more than $500. Unfortunately, that's poker.
IMHO, none of the three players played the hand badly. It's one of those very rare situations where all three players get the three best possible hands and everybody ends up all-in. As I posted in the original thread, my choice was to make a smaller than pot-sized bet on the river and then it would have been easier for me to fold after the two all-ins since my breakeven calling percentage would not have been so juicy.
Although, I do that online.. I'm not sure what would happen live.