Final Team Stats
Team Points Round 1 Points Round 2 Points Round 3 Heads Up Final Points
Ching Hill 81 68 77 20 246
Fish Out of Water 74 49 79 40 242
Guelph 66 66 44 40 216
Milton Rocks 46 63 76 30 215
Waterloo 45 42 56 70 213
Kitchener II 47 64 50 40 201
Heartbreak Kids 57 64 34 40 195
Ching Hill 81 68 77 20 246
Fish Out of Water 74 49 79 40 242
Guelph 66 66 44 40 216
Milton Rocks 46 63 76 30 215
Waterloo 45 42 56 70 213
Kitchener II 47 64 50 40 201
Heartbreak Kids 57 64 34 40 195
Comments
Congrats to Sandros, Miranda, Jen and all the Captains/players for staging yet another great Royal Cup.
I have to also say thank you for the players on the newly named Mediocre Men (formerly known as KitII). Most played well, I didn't, BBC/Dead Money thanks for driving in. BigE/Hobbes-gg. Roger, good meeting up with you again and Mandy, congrats for beating not only Dr Larry heads up, but, for beating Jeremy as well. Haddon, you played well and provided a ton of laughes, hope the resale value of the wheelchair helped you break even on the day.
Congrats on a good day.
Thanks again all and to Ching Hill- gg
The organizers did a fantastic job. The captains supplied chips/cards as much as possible, and it just seemed like everything went alot smoother. The play itself was tough, yet the general overall atmosphere was still very friendly. Sure there were beats all around, but overall, a great event.
Congratulations to everyone who participate.
Yea, we bombed the HU event, made it very close on the end didn't it? But we take solace in the fact that we dominated the other events overall
Been thinking that maybe 10pts for a HU win maybe too much.
We had this discussion during and after the first RC. This IMO makes the tournament what it is. All 4 RC's have been decided by the last 2 or 3 heads up matches and it allows every team a chance to make a last run. If you want to win the most prestigious tourney in Poker (LOL) you better bring your A game for all 4 events.
I was actually walking around on Saturday giddy with how the scoring system works and everyone I talked to loved that it was so close and that the heads up meant something. So I don't see a change in the format anytime soon.
In the end if Ching only wins 1 heads up match do they really deserve to be champs?
Actually that is true....because first place in the other games; by beating 7 other players is worth 15 points. Either the points for the rings games need to increase or the points for the HU should decrease.
Well over all Ching Hill won approx 9 HU matches. 7 through the regular games and 2 in the HU bracket so can you really say we won only 2 HU matches as a team?
Suggestion for next time, Big E and I were talking during one of the games and we though maybe a HORSE bracket would be a cool idea for a team of 8 during the first round it would be 3 play Stud, 3 play Omaha and 2 play HORSE.
It's great the way it is Sandro, and if I'm the only one questioning it, I'm good with the current system. Just wondering if the reward for a day of poor play should be overall victory in the final matches, that's all.
No matter, keep it the way it is. Our poor performance in headsup this time around will only make us try harder in RCV.
/g2
I like this idea as well, so long as the HORSE game doesn't take longer than the Stud and Omaha games to finish.
/g2
We have the case in point in RC4. Waterloo won 7/8 and still finished out of the money and still 30 some odd points out of winning it. The scoring system in place will never have a team come from last to win it. All the teams will get some share of the HU points. We have gone through 4 RC's and the scoring system in place has always allowed 2 or 3 teams to fight for the win and the remainder of the teams to fight for the money. Sounds just about right to me.
Per round 8 sng 52 points available per sng = 416 total points per round
7 teams. If all teams were exactly equal in skill then each team would earn 59.4 points per round.
Therefore if you earned more than that, you beating the round as a team.
Heads up, 56 players, 28 heads up matches for 280 total points.
7 teams. If all teams are exactly equal in skill then each team would earn only 40 points for the heads up round.
There if you won 5/8 HU matches, as a team you were beating the round (obv).
So obviously an average team would earn 19.4 MORE points per round during the sngs. The heads uip matches are obviously UNDERWEIGHTED in the points system, not overweighted.
I agree with moose that the headsup is underweighted. I propose 12 pts per HU match.
/g2
WHOA! Is there really a need for this hostility?? I asked a simple question, and frankly, it WAS commented on by more than myself on Saturday. Frankly, like I said, if the formula works as is, don't change it. Just made a comment.
You just beat me to it. Yep 12 points would be more fair.
/g2
True enough... had to have been the QUIETEST RC we have EVER had.
GG all
That is good and all but based on the number of players you need to beat to earn 15 points in the other games compared to the HU matches the points don't even out.
HU - Beat one player win 10 points
Other games - Beat 6/7 players win 15 points.
HU each player beat = 10 points
Other games each player beat =15/6 or approx 2.5 points per player.
The points/player you earn by beating just one player is far larger then beating the SnG.
Between these two players:
....... 15 /1 /15 /0 - 31
........ 1 /5 /15 10 - 31
Who was the more consistent performer?
/g2
As a team if all teams are exactly equal you should get 59.4 points per sng round and 40 points per HU round. That's it.
Correct..A 2 was left from K2.
I think because of the structure with 15, 12, 9, 7,5,3,1 for the ring compared to 10, 0 for the HU is where the problem lies.
Zero points is very harsh compared to 10 points, where 5 to 15 (difference between 5th and 1st which is still 10 points) is not the same.
All I know is that the HU matches mean something, but they don't mean everything. From my perspective, that's how it should be.
If it aint broke.....
The best team won, and the lesser teams were still able to try to place (like Waterloo's run) or slit their own throats (umm... like us). The points did what they were supposed to do - keep everyone involved and fighting for something until the end, while still rewarding the best performing team for the day.
Papa Bear AJ (too many) and Mama Bear Moose (
Empirically, a 10 point differerential is the difference between 1st and 5th, 2nd and 8th and non-existant after during the SnG phase..
This is a topic I brought up a while ago. I thought then 10 was too much....and still kind of do now. I play mostly for forum and meet the players.
Any math people want to take a run at this?
Team 10 9 8 7 6 5 Place b4 HU
Ching Hill 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Fish Out of Water 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Guelph 3 3 4 4 4 4 4
Milton Rocks 4 3 3 3 3 3 3
Waterloo 5 5 5 5 5 6 7
Kitchener II 6 6 6 6 5 5 5
Heartbreak Kids 7 7 7 7 7 7 6
Please don't, it's just a discussion.