An AK hand...

DrTyoreDrTyore
in Brags, Beats & Variance
Okay.. here's the situation

Home game format, final table, 7 remain. Blinds are 75/150, average stack is probably somewhere near 6000. Blinds are going to 100/200 in about 7 minutes

Hero (me): About 3300 in chips - UTG, raises to 500 with AK suited (hearts)
folded around to the SB

SB: Solid player, tight, but aggressive when he feels he has the best hand.

Pushes all in for about 3700 (hero's covered)

BB: Another solid player, I would say less aggressive than the SB, has about 2800 in chips.

BB: Agonizes for a while, hmms and hahs, says something to the effect of "I think this is a bad move" but pushes anyways.

Hero: ????

THOUGHTS: The SB is very likely on a big pocket pair, at LEAST QQ - probably likely given hero's hand. The BB player, less sure of a read, but hero feels they have a weaker Ace, maybe AJo.

<Results later in an edit>

Mark

Comments

  • g2g2
    I call. But I've been playing a lot more cash games recently than tourneys. If it were a cash game it's a definite call getting 3-1 on your money.

    I would be putting the SB on at least JJ, instead of QQ. Which would mean you are much more likely a coin flip rather than dominated.

    /g2
  • IM-ON-TILTIM-ON-TILT
    Hmmm...looks like I would fold here. In an all-in situation, I only like to play big slick headsup.
  • AcidJoesHoeAcidJoesHoe
    Fold, get out of the way. YOu still have enough chips to make a move a little later. Let the SB who has you covered take out the BB.
  • moosemoose
    Doesn't matter what you have here and what your read is. You are 50% of the average stack. If you fold your M is less than 10 and the big stacks will be looking to pick you off. Tripling up will put you over average stack. You bet $500 not looking to fold but hoping someone would call. You got what you wanted and more. Call Call Call.
  • PokerKaiPokerKai
    Id get it all in. AK plays very strong 7 handed and your very rarely going to be in a bad spot here. The only thing that worries me is that the humming-hawing from SB is likely an act hoping to induce a call.
  • CanadaDaveCanadaDave
    PokerKai wrote: »
    Id get it all in. AK plays very strong 7 handed and your very rarely going to be in a bad spot here. The only thing that worries me is that the humming-hawing from SB is likely an act hoping to induce a call.

    I agree completely here, I think it was the BB; and all that acting, and what he said makes me think he's holding a monster like Kings or Aces, and was praying you'd call too. So I'm guessing you are in more trouble than originally thought. SB probably pushed with 10s or Js, or Qs... so You are going to be in big trouble if I'm right about the BB. So it is probably wise to fold, only and ONLY if you think the BB is acting, and you have to be pretty damn sure.

    SooooOooo... what happeneD?
  • g2g2
    CanadaDave wrote: »
    SooooOooo... what happeneD?
    SB had QQ
    BB had 1010 IIRC
    UTG folds AK
    K on the flop. Haw haw! :D

    /g2
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    I'm folding here.

    SB is on a good hand, most likely QQ or KK. BB calling means he's got to have at least one of outs as well, so worst case, 3 of your outs are dead to you, leaving you only 4, unless you get lucky and hit a flush draw on the flop.

    Calling here would knock you out, and there's still plenty of opportunity to make a move.
  • g2g2
    g2 wrote: »
    SB had QQ
    BB had 1010 IIRC
    UTG folds AK
    K on the flop. Haw haw! :D

    /g2
    this wasn't a guess by the way... i was there

    /g2
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    g2 wrote: »
    this wasn't a guess by the way... i was there

    /g2

    Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20, isn't it?
  • g2g2
    STR82ACE wrote: »
    Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20, isn't it?
    Actually I remember putting the SB on QQ (JohnnieH) and the BB (Sandy) on a weaker hand like AQ/AJ/88-JJ. I was surprised Mark laid down AK. I remember the K on the flop cuz I dealt it :)

    /g2
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    Just commenting that I would have most likely have folded as well. Against one player all in, AKo is a nice hand, but against two all ins?? Have to question my hand survivalability.

    Don't knock yourself out Mark. Good fold as far as I'm concerned.


    OH wait...it was Johhnie who pushed??? Oh Crap...CALL CALL CALL!!
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    Haha...

    Much like g2, I put the SB (JohnnieH) on a big pocket pair QQ at least, and put the BB (waltsfriend) on a weaker Ace than me (AJ most likely), however, considering then that one of my outs was likely dead, I didn't want to go in behind, and folded.

    So, one way or another... I think i like the fold...

    I folded, and yes, a K hit on the flop, and JohnnieH's QQ held up.

    Mark
  • waltsfriendwaltsfriend
    DrTyore wrote: »

    BB: Agonizes for a while, hmms and hahs, says something to the effect of "I think this is a bad move" but pushes anyways.
    Mark

    I was not acting - in my heart I knew this was a bad call. It was one of those situations where this was the best hand I had seen throughout the tournament and I was getting to the point where I was going to have to push any hand I got involved with because of the size of the blinds. I fooling myself into hoping the Johnnie had the A-K and Mark had a smaller pair or a matching A-K. Next time I will be more patient and pick a better spot.
  • BigChrisElBigChrisEl
    DrTyore wrote: »
    Haha...

    Much like g2, I put the SB (JohnnieH) on a big pocket pair QQ at least, and put the BB (waltsfriend) on a weaker Ace than me (AJ most likely), however, considering then that one of my outs was likely dead, I didn't want to go in behind, and folded.

    So, one way or another... I think i like the fold...

    I folded, and yes, a K hit on the flop, and JohnnieH's QQ held up.

    Mark

    I think I would have done the same, thinking that one of your Aces was gone and that one of the other players has a pocket pair. So really only have 2 Aces and 3 Kings if either of the players has a pocket pair.

    This is a very similar situation that IM-ON-TILT had at Ching hill and he did the same thing, folded the A-K.
  • beanie42beanie42
    We discussed this live, but I had mentioned that IF you put the BB on Ax it was a good fold. However, based on the description of the players I put them both on pairs (SB JJ-KK and BB 99-JJ) and would have called.
  • IM-ON-TILTIM-ON-TILT
    BigChrisEl wrote: »
    This is a very similar situation that IM-ON-TILT had at Ching hill and he did the same thing, folded the A-K.

    Hey Mark,

    did you have any alcohol in your system when you folded big slick? Maybe there's a connection?!
  • HobbesHobbes
    IM-ON-TILT wrote: »
    Hey Mark,

    did you have any alcohol in your system when you folded big slick? Maybe there's a connection?!

    That wouldn't be the worst thing Mark has done with alcohol in his system :D
  • IM-ON-TILTIM-ON-TILT
    Hobbes wrote: »
    That wouldn't be the worst thing Mark has done with alcohol in his system :D

    Actually folding big slick in this situation looks like a good laydown aside that we now know a king showed on the flop. Having said that, maybe mark didn't have any alcohol.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    Umm.. I think Ron gave me one beer, but certainly not enough to be considered inebriated.. that wasn't until like 4 hours later

    Mark
  • g2g2
    DrTyore wrote: »
    that wasn't until like 4 hours later
    Hahaha yeah, that was fun.

    /g2
  • Royal FlushRoyal Flush
    Fold, conserve those chips and wait till you know you can knock this guy out


    Don't play impatient and throw away chips

    Get out the way
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