QQ on button 1/2NL - feedback pls.

Mathers

I'd like to get some feedback on a hand. 1/2 NL Live. Full table. I have $500 and everyone covered except for 1 player. UTG limps, 2nd position limps. 2nd position has been at table for about 40 minutes and has doubled up with a good hand. Seems to be playing well so far, but never played with him before and still don't have a solid read on his play. Couple more limpers. Donk in LP raises to $6 with about $50 behind. Another call. I'm on button and dealt QQ. I raise to $40 to isolate the donk (I'm sure he has crap and will call). To my surprise, 2nd position thinks a bit and calls. Donk also calls. Others fold. About $130 in the pot. Flop comes J99. 2nd position quickly goes all-in for $185.00. He looks confident. No other tells.

What do you think he has and why and what is your play? I'll post actual result later.Thanks.

Metro

I fold. Could have the 9 or was playing cute with AA or KK, or playing JJ fast to induce action.

You are ahead if he has AJ, KJ, QJ, J10.

IMO, there are better places to get your money in.

pkrfce9

i'm having trouble deciding what kind of hand calls off a quarter of their stack pre-flop. to do this, i'd have to be convinced i have the best hand with little risk of being outdrawn and the donks will continue to pay or that the others can be easily pushed off with a strong bet on the flop.

what's the overall table image? would he limp with AA or KK knowing there will be a raise behind?

what's your image? does the table see you as the kind of guy who would put in a huge raise with garbage? can you be pushed off a big hand?

i doubt he calls with JJ-99. i can't see any hand with a 9 in it. more likely AA or KK, perhaps QQ or AK. depending on the answers to above, possibly AJs.

i don't think he would push if he caught a monster. it looks like he wants to win the pot uncontested or maybe is afraid of having to make a tough decision. he doesn't want a call but that doesn't mean you aren't behind. i reluctantly fold.

specialK

what kind of image did you have at the table? if you have a fairly tight image i can see this guy FCing your PF raise with AA... KK seems more likely than AA just because you've three-bet here, and him limping with AA means he wants to raise and with a few to act behind him it seems weird that he wouldn't four-bet this with AA, maybe he would FC your three-bet with KK fearing you having AA, but that makes his push seem very weird... so i don't think he has KK, it's AA or nothing... and most likely it's nothing... i'm prolly calling in this spot.

Metro

You are all making the assumption that these players are playing "good" poker.

I think we have all been at tables, in fact I would argue I am likely to be at a table, where the range of suited connectors and slow playing big hands would allow for my previous analysis to be possible, if not probable.

SirWatts

Meh I'd call without a read that he's supertight. I guess he could have AA/KK/JJ and his prelop play might not be terrible, but his flop bet still doesn't really make sense. Donkeys like to make the "I put you on AK" play here sometimes.

Metro

SirWatts wrote: »

Meh I'd call without a read that he's supertight. I guess he could have AA/KK/JJ and his prelop play might not be terrible, but his flop bet still doesn't really make sense. Donkeys like to make the "I put you on AK" play here SOMETIMES

The question that needs to be asked is how frequent do you expect that "sometimes" to be?

I am just going by previous 1/2 experience where I wouldnt be suprised to see any of the above scenarios - down to someone with low pockets who put the HERO on AK.

I would call if I had the read that this player is overly aggressive (rather than not call because the player is supertight) and may over value AJ or AK-low pp - outside of this - I don't believe the sometimes is often enough.

SirWatts

Yeah this is basically a read dependant hand, but we don't really have much of a read. There are lots of players that calling against here would be terrible, but without a good read I think it's likely enough he's not one of these players that we should call. I can't give the average live 1/2 player that much credit here readless. Given that the hand was posted I'm sure his QQ got beat though.

Metro

Yeah - Likely against AK on the turn

AcidJoesHoe

take into consideration that the person could have been playing A9 suited, or suited connectors in a no limit that happens. It has happened to me were a guy calls im large raise with 78 suited and hits his flush to my flopped straigt 10 to ace. I thought i had the nuts. but apparently I didnt...Lots of people like those cards. But I do have to agree with you guys on the AA or KK.. What really happened?

I would say the guy was a donk and playing A9 suited and ended up with either three of a kind, quad 9's or fullhouse.. Interesting to see what really did happen ...

Mathers

Thanks for the feedback. SirWatts hit it. My thoughts at the table were close to TNORTH's and pkrfce9's. I thought it was about 50/50 whether I was losing, against, in order: KK (puts me on a naked ace and moves after none hit the flop), JJ (puts me on AA KK QQ and fast plays), A9s, 109s or 89s, or winning, against most likely AJs, or 1010, AK or a smaller pair. Since I was getting 1.5 to 1, from a pure EV, I should call. But I was only in for $40 so I took the lower variance route and made a very reluctant fold, knowing at that table, there were easier spots to put in $200. He showed...........QJoff and took it down against the other donk's A6off. I asked him how he could call $40, and 1/5 of his stack pre-flop, out of position and with a ton of people still to act, with QJo. He said he had not seen me raise that much pre-flop before, so he figured I had nothing!!! (My last $40 pre-flop was AA but that was before he sat down.) When the J hit, he thought he was gold!

Eclipse

Sick. :rolleyes: