Losing value?
$6/$12 limit B&M hand I have been thinking about for a while.
About the table... not much action pre-flop, rarely 3-bet or capped. Usually 4-5 players see the flop. Most see the turn as well, even if it means cold-calling two. Usually 2 players, sometimes 3 to showdown. Basically, a typical B&M semi-low limit table.
The hand that's got me thinking:
8 players dealt in
Hero is dealt AAo in LP (don't stop now, it's not a bad beat story)
Fold, limp, fold in front of me
Hero raises
Cutoff folds
Button calls
SB folds
BB calls
Limper calls
Hero's [mental] notes:
BB is a decent player, mixes it up pre-flop, too weak tight post flop, but is capable of calling down with any piece if he thinks you've got air or a busted draw
Limper is terrible, calls with almost anything on the flop, usually folds the turn, C/R's with monsters
Hero is the greatest poker player that ever lived, and he's humble too
Button is pretty straight forward, plays his cards, ignores position, calls way too much, often regardless of action, almost always sees the flop from LP
4 players to the flop:
J 9 3 rainbow
BB, Limper check
Hero bets
Button raises
BB folds
Limper folds (surprisingly)
Hero 3-bets <-- my thinking at this point is, if he caps it he most likely has top 2 or a set, if he just calls more likely TPGoodK maybe 2 pair maybe OESD
Button caps it
Hero calls
2 players to the turn:
J 9 3 3
So... if you're still with me, you'll notice AAo is now ahead of top 2.
Hero bets
Button raises
... however he didn't break his wrists getting it in there as most players who boat up do, it was almost as if he didn't notice that it paired the board
So my questions are these:
Am I losing value by just calling down at this point?
Or should I still pump the pot?
How often does he need to have a set here in order to justify slowing down? <50%?
Results to follow.
/g2
About the table... not much action pre-flop, rarely 3-bet or capped. Usually 4-5 players see the flop. Most see the turn as well, even if it means cold-calling two. Usually 2 players, sometimes 3 to showdown. Basically, a typical B&M semi-low limit table.
The hand that's got me thinking:
8 players dealt in
Hero is dealt AAo in LP (don't stop now, it's not a bad beat story)
Fold, limp, fold in front of me
Hero raises
Cutoff folds
Button calls
SB folds
BB calls
Limper calls
Hero's [mental] notes:
BB is a decent player, mixes it up pre-flop, too weak tight post flop, but is capable of calling down with any piece if he thinks you've got air or a busted draw
Limper is terrible, calls with almost anything on the flop, usually folds the turn, C/R's with monsters
Hero is the greatest poker player that ever lived, and he's humble too
Button is pretty straight forward, plays his cards, ignores position, calls way too much, often regardless of action, almost always sees the flop from LP
4 players to the flop:
J 9 3 rainbow
BB, Limper check
Hero bets
Button raises
BB folds
Limper folds (surprisingly)
Hero 3-bets <-- my thinking at this point is, if he caps it he most likely has top 2 or a set, if he just calls more likely TPGoodK maybe 2 pair maybe OESD
Button caps it
Hero calls
2 players to the turn:
J 9 3 3
So... if you're still with me, you'll notice AAo is now ahead of top 2.
Hero bets
Button raises
... however he didn't break his wrists getting it in there as most players who boat up do, it was almost as if he didn't notice that it paired the board
So my questions are these:
Am I losing value by just calling down at this point?
Or should I still pump the pot?
How often does he need to have a set here in order to justify slowing down? <50%?
Results to follow.
/g2
Comments
J9 - top two pair
Q-10 - donk hand of course, but the raising for value seems nice.
J3 / 93, well if he's decent at all, he folds... UNLESS THEY"RE SOOOOTED!
I would probably bet again...
but I"m a donk
Mark
What's better AAs or AAo?
How much did you take down Greg??????
Wait a minute. Greg is playing limit? Greg agrees with me (in another thread)? My whole perception of reality is topsy turvy. Confusion reigns!
What I can't decide is where I should put the JJ/99 in that list.... if they go above J9 then I should be just calling down on the turn/river... but if J9 has significantly more weight then JJ/99 then I am losing value by not pounding the turn/river.
/g2