Final table button play...no brainer?

Final table of a live tourney.

10 people @ table - 9 spots pay...bubble time.

You have 13,000 and blinds are at 1200-2500 with 300 ante.

Folded to MP who goes All in for 2700

Folded to YOU on the button with AJ offsuit (9400 in pot now) what is your call?

Comments

  • Barring any particular reads in the table, hmmmm...Let's see now, my M is 2, AJ offsuite, I'm pushing with only 2 to act behind me. MP could have anything at all, A rag, small pair, anything at all. With his chips and the blinds coming to him, he's in panic mode.. Bubble just means, others are tighter. Go for the win!
  • compuease wrote: »
    Barring any particular reads in the table, hmmmm...Let's see now, my M is 2, AJ offsuite, I'm pushing with only 2 to act behind me. MP could have anything at all, A rag, small pair, anything at all. With his chips and the blinds coming to him, he's in panic mode.. Bubble just means, others are tighter. Go for the win!

    Ditto.

    Would you go all-in had it been folded to you? With 2700, you are miles ahead of his range, so its like you have an extra blind to steal. Insta-push here.

    Cheers
    Magi
  • I almost feel like an id10t posting this. It was more for peace of mind, I wanted to know if anyone else on this planet would NOT have pushed and why.

    I did push my AJ then the SB went all in behind me and then, to add a little cherry on the top of that sweet sundae, the BB also moves All in. WTF did I just get into?

    SB had AQo and pushed for his life since I had him covered and BB (obviously) had a huge had...KK and super short stack (that I was trying to isolate) had A7o.

    KK took it down on a 4 way all in and busted 3 of us at once.

    I'm not going to complain, that's how she rolls I guess ;-)
  • AJo with an M of 2... easy push UNLESS the blinds have you covered and you've got a tell that at least one of them can't wait to get all their chips in the pot.

    Another thing to take into consideration is that you're only going to end up bubbling if the 2700 player survives AND you lose to a bigger stack calling from the blinds.

    Congrats on 7th place.

    /g2
  • g2 wrote: »
    AJo with an M of 2... easy push UNLESS the blinds have you covered and you've got a tell that at least one of them can't wait to get all their chips in the pot.

    Another thing to take into consideration is that you're only going to end up bubbling if the 2700 player survives AND you lose to a bigger stack calling from the blinds.

    Congrats on 7th place.

    /g2
    Not to nitpick but if you want to remain a Rock, gotta be accurate... 8th place, MP 2700 gets 10th, SB with less than hero gets 9th and Hero on the button gets 8th, 4 way all in, 3 eliminated on same hand... hehehe.... And here I thought you we're a computer science kinda guy..

    Just kidding Greg, your a lifetime Rock, and since you bring our avg age down significantly, will be around long after the rest of us are long gone.... lol
  • compuease wrote: »
    Not to nitpick but if you want to remain a Rock, gotta be accurate... 8th place, MP 2700 gets 10th, SB with less than hero gets 9th and Hero on the button gets 8th, 4 way all in, 3 eliminated on same hand... hehehe.... And here I thought you we're a computer science kinda guy..

    Just kidding Greg, your a lifetime Rock, and since you bring our avg age down significantly, will be around long after the rest of us are long gone.... lol
    D'oh. When I did the math in my head for some reason I went '10 players left, 4-way all in... means 6 players left, hence 7th place'. I'm a math donk.

    /g2
  • i would of just call
    if i got raise behind me, i can still get out. and if i just get called, that mean we are going to check it down to the river to kill the shortstack. if somebody bet it, you can give him credit for a big hand.
    it bubble time, and i did prefer to let the bubble burst first before playing aggressive again.
  • i would of just call
    if i got raise behind me, i can still get out. and if i just get called, that mean we are going to check it down to the river to kill the shortstack. if somebody bet it, you can give him credit for a big hand.
    it bubble time, and i did prefer to let the bubble burst first before playing aggressive again.
    Congratulations on your many 9th place finishes. Hope you figure out how to crack into the big money in tourneys sometime soon.

    Seriously man, how can you disagree with magithighs? He's like the best poker player ever!

    /g2
  • i would of just call
    if i got raise behind me, i can still get out. and if i just get called, that mean we are going to check it down to the river to kill the shortstack. if somebody bet it, you can give him credit for a big hand.
    it bubble time, and i did prefer to let the bubble burst first before playing aggressive again.

    This makes no sense... look at it this way

    You're saying call so that if someone raises you can further lower your stack just to get 9th place? Nah - push all in, takes the decision away from you, AND even if someone comes along, it lowers the chances of the short stack winning, meaning you'lll get 9th more often than not again, not to mention if you (now) triple up, you're relevant and can go for bigger $.

    So, you're way
    - Scared poker, maybe lock up 9th place

    Everyone else's way
    - Aggressive poker, MORE likely to lock up 9th place
    - Possibility to increase stack significantly, and become a potential big $ finisher

    Mark
  • I fold and find a better spot to get my money in. I want to be first in and not calling an all in with AJ...... please feel free to flame away.... :)

    Seriously I'd be hard pressed not to beat the short stack in with all my money and if the blinds pick up a hand they pick up a hand. After that push I'm surprised the sb also pushed with AQ since he could be in bad shape if the original MP has a small pair (66) and the button could have a hand as good as AK.

    I think I fold the AQo in the SB there. Now the BB has to be licking his chops.
  • You made the right play. Don't beat yourself up about it. Shit happens.

    Short stack could have absolutely anything. The blinds are coming and he is super short. Instant push.
  • Yeah, there is no doubt, it is an insta push. With my stack size and almost 10K out there, to isolate was correct. I dont know what the SB was doing calling with AQo. Most times SB and BB will not have a BIG hand in that spot and even with an AK or AQ (in the SB or BB) a smart player might back out an let the two of us punch eachothers lights out a pick a better spot. If I would have won that pot I would have been in Ok shape to take a shot at first. I am surely not calling 1/4 of my stack to try to "check it down" that would be so weak. I mean how pissed would you be when the final board has a 7 and a 2 on it and you showdown your AJ and SB has 72o to take it and the whole tables says "Hey dumb ass if you would have pushed AJ the 72o would have folded and you could have taken a HUGE pot" ?
  • g2 wrote: »
    Congratulations on your many 9th place finishes. Hope you figure out how to crack into the big money in tourneys sometime soon.

    Seriously man, how can you disagree with magithighs? He's like the best poker player ever!

    /g2
    What do you mean, he's disagreeing with Magithighs? Magithighs was agreeing with me! Guess I'm just chopped liver around here... sniff.. sniff...

    You shoulda asked him how he can disagree with Compuease.. lol.... although maybe I have a little way to go to be the best poker player ever.....
  • What? go all and commit all my chips? It's obvious he has AA, I fold.

    lol ( see todays +EV)
  • To me this is very simple - you push or you fold.

    When do I fold - If player in MP has a stack comparable to my stack - This is where I would employ first in; or out.

    Where do I push - This exact situation - it was a complete anomoly that the two players behind had such strong hands.

    You will also find circumstances where AQ will fold here. I agree with Joe, if I were SB I would likely fold - even though he did call here with the best hand (when he called). If anything you have a good shot at making the money because there is an opportunity for player #10 to be knocked out.

    Also, your AQ is probably only 50% to win here - because you are probably against at least one pair.

    With A-J in your situation this is an easy push, I would even second guess my self - considering the variables of this situation.
  • TNORTH wrote: »
    To me this is very simple - you push or you fold.

    Bingo! Cold calling here is about the worst thing you can do.
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