PLO hand for analysis
I lost this hand, in case you want to stop reading here.
Otherwise, I wonder what people think about my push on the flop. The main aggressor (MP3) has AA23->AK23, I figure. I don't think he'll lay down nut low draw for my smallish stack. I wasn't counting on the BB to overcall. It's also possible MP3 has got top set, but I doubted it since I had an ace. So, should I push expecting to chop a lot of the time?
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.70
UTG+1: $3.25
MP1: $16.55
MP2: $6.85
MP3: $25
CO: $7
Button: $27.25
morty16: $12
BB: $8.10
Pre-flop: (9 players) morty16 is SB with js ah qh jc
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises to $1.35, 2 folds, morty16 calls, BB calls, 2 folds.
Flop: jd as 6c ($4.55, 3 players)
morty16 checks, BB checks, MP3 bets $4.55, morty16 raises all-in $10.65, BB calls all-in $6.75, MP3 calls.
Turn: 4d ($32.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $24.8, Sidepot 1: $7.8)
River: td ($32.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $24.8, Sidepot 1: $7.8)
Results:
Final pot: $32.6
morty16 showed Js Ah Qh Jc
BB showed 5h 4s Ac Kh
MP3 showed 3s Ad 2d 2c
Otherwise, I wonder what people think about my push on the flop. The main aggressor (MP3) has AA23->AK23, I figure. I don't think he'll lay down nut low draw for my smallish stack. I wasn't counting on the BB to overcall. It's also possible MP3 has got top set, but I doubted it since I had an ace. So, should I push expecting to chop a lot of the time?
Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.70
UTG+1: $3.25
MP1: $16.55
MP2: $6.85
MP3: $25
CO: $7
Button: $27.25
morty16: $12
BB: $8.10
Pre-flop: (9 players) morty16 is SB with js ah qh jc
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises to $1.35, 2 folds, morty16 calls, BB calls, 2 folds.
Flop: jd as 6c ($4.55, 3 players)
morty16 checks, BB checks, MP3 bets $4.55, morty16 raises all-in $10.65, BB calls all-in $6.75, MP3 calls.
Turn: 4d ($32.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $24.8, Sidepot 1: $7.8)
River: td ($32.6, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $24.8, Sidepot 1: $7.8)
Results:
Final pot: $32.6
morty16 showed Js Ah Qh Jc
BB showed 5h 4s Ac Kh
MP3 showed 3s Ad 2d 2c
Comments
/g2
Reason 1: I think I have the best hand
Reason 2: It's dirty dirty Omaha - escape valves and monsters under the bed
Reason 3: I don't want to split the pot, I'd rather scoop it, and to do that, I need to punish people drawing at the low, because they don't understand odds anyways, they'll call, but I want to make them make mistakes more often. **
** - this is partly why I hate OM/8
Mark
That's just the odds that I win high. 1/5 of the time I scoop, 1/6 of the time I get scooped, the rest of the time I chop the donk's (BB) (stack - rake), and I can't count on the donk calling. If I knew the donk was going to gift his stack I'd do it every time, but otherwise it's pretty slim +EV (+$1?). Can I make an argument for not playing that flop?
Maybe I'm too much of a pussy.
I was very, very confident that he would pot it. He seems a very solid player (a fan of Cloutier/McEvoy probably). I wanted him to put more chips in so I could raise all in and he would call. That's a read thing obv.
I wasn't counting on fold equity. I wanted to double through.
/g2
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Yeah, rationally I know that that's the answer. But when you get kicked in the nuts often enough in one session, you start to flinch in anticipation.
BTW, I worked out the EV for my push on the flop. Without the BB donking off his stack, it's +$0.92, with the BB involved, it's +$4.33.
Now, deepen the stacks to about 50 or 75 each and I flat call the flop. Two to the low is on the board and you are only playing at the high. You need to exercise pot control.
Pot control is essential in this type of situation.
You will also want to look at starting hand requirements in Omaha/8 you will notice that having an A2 or A3 is almost mandatory. Four high cards look pretty - but you are only getting half the pot in many situations.
Check out the Hutchison Point System - at these levels you can play profitabley using this alone. Although the range of starting hands seems greater with 4 cards - it is actaully limited.
This is the link for the Hutchison Point System:
http://erh.homestead.com/omaha.html
If most of your opponents are playing good two way hands, when the cards come high, they're in trouble. You'll win extra bets from people trying to draw runner runner low too.
You miss the flop and you fold. You make two pair, you push. The smaller stack makes things easier to play.
This is an interesting hand for analysis in PL0 8.
It has some great qualities and bad qualities.
The frist thing I am considering is position and preflop action.
If I am in bad position and the betting is heavy preflop - I fold this without a second thought.
If I am in any position and can see this cheap I will take a flop.
If I am in late position I will also likely see a flop depending on the betting action in front of me.
The bad thing about this hand is that you dont have a low and never will. Meaning a lot of the time you will be only winning half the pot.
Good thing about this hand. Great cards that dont lend themselves to a second best high hand. You have a nut flush draw, straight draw and a big pair. If for instance that A is a K - this hand is an easy fold because your chances of having a second best hand are too great.
Although, in PLO 8 I prefer hands that have the hi-lo capabilities, in this case you have a opportunities for nut hands, and not second nut hands. It is imperative if you dont have a lo draw you can be sure that you have the nut high draw.
As BBC mentioned you will get value from players that will draw to the lo or will be quartered for the lo.
Preflop leaks will be small playing a hand like this because you shouldnt become too highly invested and you wont get too many. Your big leaks will come post-flop when you mis-play uncompleted high hands with 2 cards to the lo on board.