WPT hand late in Day 1

Situation: WPT Day 1, blinds at $200/400+75. There are now less than 150 players of the original 300, but the tournament organizers unexpectedly changed their mind about stopping when it got down to 150 and instead will play another 70 minutes to the end of the $300/600+100 level. The players in the table tend to be conservative.

Your hand:
:9h :9d
$9,300 and one of the shortest stacks in the table.

Action to you: UTG lady with $17K raises to $1,400. Pot is now $2,750.

Question: Do you fold, call, or raise?

Comments

  • call the bet
  • Any read on her? My default is to fold. If she's particularly aggressive you can push but calling is bad because your stack is too short. Really you prboably just have to fold.
  • utg i give her credit for a pretty good hand unless you have evidence to the contrary. if i am also in EP, i would tend to fold. in LP, i'd think about pushing. i would still fold, but I'd think about it.
  • With out a doubt, all in
  • With out a doubt, all in

    I agree with Brent. It's a boardline push in my books but you gotta push. Unless you made some stupid poker goal about surviving day 1. I think that's regardless of position.

    You can damage her stack so I think she'd be hesitant to call unless she has you seriously beat. PUSH PUSH PUSH then drink it off in the dragon fly.
  • I think u give her credit for the raise and fold here. Maybe push but no way call.
  • With out a doubt, all in

    it's not push time... stack = 9K, BB = 600 wait for a better spot... you know that you are at best a coinflip. oh yeah, without a doubt fold...
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    Situation: WPT Day 1, blinds at $200/400+75. There are now less than 150 players of the original 300, but the tournament organizers unexpectedly changed their mind about stopping when it got down to 150 and instead will play another 70 minutes to the end of the $300/600+100 level. The players in the table tend to be conservative.

    Your hand:
    :9h :9d
    $9,300 and one of the shortest stacks in the table.

    Action to you: UTG lady with $17K raises to $1,400. Pot is now $2,750.

    Question: Do you fold, call, or raise?


    This is very similar to what happened to me on day 2. I think you need to find out where you are. Raise to 3300 and see what happens. I don't mind the flat call here either.

    Ususally people post bad beat, or bad hands that happened to them. My guess is you pushed in and got beat. I don't like the all in as you can only get called by a hand that beats you...... My 2 cents.
  • Dead Money wrote: »
    This is very similar to what happened to me on day 2. I think you need to find out where you are. Raise to 3300 and see what happens. I don't mind the flat call here either.

    Ususally people post bad beat, or bad hands that happened to them. My guess is you pushed in and got beat. I don't like the all in as you can only get called by a hand that beats you...... My 2 cents.


    Probably you only get called by a hand that beats you. But rather than risk 1/3 of my stack I still push. I think this is either push or fold, I'm not sure about the re raise for 1/3 of your stack.
  • I don't see anything here about your position at the table. Let me check again. Nope nothing. <--Very important information!


    My early read is AK or AQ (40% of the time)or a big pair Jacks or better (40% of the time) smaller pair (10% of the time). A raise from UTG deserves your respect. ESP at a live table. Online maybe not so much.


    Your M is 9 so you are not desparate. From EP I would get away from the hand. You can call or raise from late position and see a flop. However a normal raise will probably either get called (maybe) or re raise and put you all in (more likely). You will have no more information than you started with. I'm sure many of you will disagree here but I would lean toward a call in LP with 99.



    If you call and then see a flop you can a make a better educated play at this pot. If flop has an A, K or Q you are now likely behind 90% of all of the hands you have put her on and you can get away from the hand with an M of over 7 and pick another spot to make your stand.


    This is my thought process here anyway.


    Caddy
  • call the bet
  • I posted in this section hoping that at least one of the TV commentators would comment, :( but thanks for all the replies. IMHO, cadillac's detailed analysis was the best.

    The big blind and UTG seemed to be in very friendly terms. Just before the hand, the big blind commented about how tight he has been playing and that his big blind is easy to steal. So when she raised $1,000 into the $1,350 pot, I thought there was a POSSIBILITY that she just wanted to steal her bigger-stacked friend's blind.

    I was UTG+1. I went through the Harrington methodology. My M was less than 7 (9,300 / 1,350). I thought it was a push or fold situation. I saw no point in calling with more than 15% of my chips, which would bring my M down to 5.9.

    My read on her was that she was a tight player and possibly weak-tight, so that I had some fold equity unless she had a monster. Since I thought that it was a possible steal attempt, I put her on a wider range of hands than 10-10 and up. If it wasn't for my so-called "reads", I would probably had folded my pocket nines as UTG+1. Instead, after finishing a WPT book the day before the WPT, in which the author's main point was that you should "play to win, not to survive," I re-raised all-in.

    Unfortunately for me, Arturo in the SB called. UTG re-raised all-in, so I put her on A-A or K-K and knew that I was in big trouble. Arturo had J-J and he quickly called without considering the pot odds or that he was probably dominated. UTG had K-K. Arturo sucked out a third Jack on the turn and took out two players, becoming the huge stack in the table. He continued his lucky streak into the final table until the infamous incident when he continued his clueless rules violations and called an all-in with probably the winning hand, but mucked his cards face down at the centre! :eek:

    I couldn't find a similar 9-9 situation in Harrington's books, but another poker author advocates re-raising all-in as a short stack with as low as 7-7.
    cadillac wrote: »
    My early read is AK or AQ (40% of the time)or a big pair Jacks or better (40% of the time) smaller pair (10% of the time). A raise from UTG deserves your respect. ESP at a live table.

    Your M is 9 so you are not desparate. From EP I would get away from the hand.
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