Did I play this right???

Hobbes

A little background on the table first.

Loose table with little/no respect for anyone's raises.
Been taking a real beating:
KK vs QQ (villian flops a set of Q)
JJ vs KK (no improvement)
TT vs 92o (BB calls a raise and a reraise. I hit my set and he proceeds to call me down to the river and fills his FN straight)

I think that my judgement may have been off.

GAME #1779746512 - $0.50/$1 TEXAS HOLD'EM - 2006/10/24-19:59:14.1 (CST)
Table "Lolobau" (real money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: CheckSpine ($61.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Tx_jack ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Torabola ($7.75 in chips)
Seat 4: MushiMushi ($43.75 in chips)
Seat 5: PokerguyQ ($17.75 in chips)
Seat 6: LauraZ ($21.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Hobbes114 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 9: palmacman ($45.50 in chips)
Seat 10: poker1eh ($7.50 in chips)
Torabola: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
MushiMushi: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to Hobbes114 [ Jh ]
Dealt to Hobbes114 [ Qh ]
PokerguyQ: Fold
LauraZ : Fold
Hobbes114: Call ($0.50)
palmacman: Fold
poker1eh: Fold
CheckSpine: Raise ($1)
Tx_jack : Fold
Torabola: Raise ($1.25)
MushiMushi: Fold
Hobbes114: Fold
CheckSpine: Raise ($1)
Torabola: Call ($0.50)

DrTyore

Are you wondering if you should have folded?

I neither hate nor love it.. I mean, if you thin you're going to get horseshoed, sure, fold it (which you did... caught between two raisers). Would I cold call 2? Maybe.

Mark

Hobbes

Ya, wondering if the fold was right. Although the table was loose I thought that this may be too much action for suited connectors.

BTW Mark: You gotta fix up your sig....:D

LuckyPaul

I would of folded, I dont like playing suited connectors to a raise and re-raise.

ScoobyD

I would of folded, I dont like playing suited connectors to a raise and re-raise.

I don't specifically hate playing suited connectors for a raise and reraise, but in this spot(against only the raiser and reraiser with the potential of it being capped behind you), I like the fold.

Now if the action was something like you limp, raise, 3 cold calls and a 3 bet, I'm probably playing this as you have a strong multiway hand.

As the pot is shorthanded though and you're stuck in between the 2 aggressors I like the fold.

What was your read on the 2 raisers, or were they unknowns at the time?

specialK

I'd say it could go either way, depends really on your read on the guy behind you... If you think he's unlikely to cap it i think it's a call, and if he is gonna cap it you should prolly fold... also it would depend on whether this guy is agressive post flop or not... i think there is only one wrong thing to do in this situation which would be raise... it's call or fold.

Hobbes

On this table, once a reraise hit the betting would end up capped almost all the time.

It really threw me for a loop when the board came:

QQxQx for quads against 2 full houses. The raiser/reraiser had 88/AA so I think that I made the right decision and it was mainly frustration that got me questioning my decision.

Maybe time for a short break....:)

DrTyore

No question that it was a good fold... you had JQ against AA.... that means you were WAY behind...

Don't be result-oriented - great fold

Mark

AcidJoe

While I have seen the result I fold it. I then think to myself it f'n figures. But in the end I don't cold call 2 while being sandwhiched between those two.

magithighs

Hobbes wrote: »

A little background on the table first.

Torabola: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
MushiMushi: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to Hobbes114 [ Jh ]
Dealt to Hobbes114 [ Qh ]
PokerguyQ: Fold
LauraZ : Fold
Hobbes114: Call ($0.50)
Torabola: Call ($0.50)

First in, early middle position this is a raise or fold decision. Folding AJ,KQ,KJ,QJ,JT here isn't horrible here, although you may loose some equity. These are real trouble hands which have you paying off with second best many times.

Personally, in a loose game -- which I must assume this is one, I would rather raise in EMP. In EP I would fold those hands, unless I know there's some donks which will pay huge when I hit huge.

So, here I would recommend raising. It will likely be re-raised by the AA and I don't know what the 88 will do. If it's 1 back back to you, which I think it will be in many instances, then it's a call. If it's two bets back to you, then you're in the pickle you were in. However, now it's a much bigger pot and more worthwhile playing a long shot.

These days, I'm more in a gambling mood and will likely call the two bets back to me in a capped pot with AJ,KQ,KJ,QJ,JT. Most often though, I'm folding the flop, unless I have a multi-draw -- gutshot/flush/str8. And, I'm playing very cautiously after the flop.

Don't beat yourself up over the fold. These folds will save you huge dollars in the long run rather than making you huge dough.

Just yesterday, I folded a raised pot in the SB with QJ because I looked to my left and it looked like the BB was going to re-raise. Well wadda you know, I would have made a straight on the flop and paid off the full house on the river very nicely. That's the trouble with those hands -- you have to have a keen sense of what your opponents are holding and not go to crazy.

Cheers
Magi

Hobbes

Thanks for the feedback guys.

I've stopped beating myself up over this (only 3 cracked ribs and a minor concussion....:D )

I think that I like your advise Lou...I should have probably raised if I was going to play this hand. Just wanted to see a cheap flop.

ScoobyD

First in, early middle position this is a raise or fold decision.

I think this depends a bit on the table makeup. I don't hate open limping broadway suited connectors if it will encourage limping and in general if the game is loose and passive.

In a tight aggressive game though I'd agree that I'd probably favour raising or folding. In general UTG+2 I'd probably be open-raising this myself in most games.

QJo of course is pretty much an insta-fold here.

BoyBlue

with what you describe as the table being that lose with 2 face cards i would have gambled it and seen thenfloped since you stated it gets capped almost all the time. now as for the pocket 88s guy i just dont know what the hell he was thinking by calling the rasies after the flop with those over cards. honestly unless the raise is massive like a NL game i would have folded but since it was a Limit game and there was a cap i would have seen the flop with those 2 cards. but thats just my 2 cents...