I'm considering to try out Poker Stars

ReefAquarium

How many BB/100 hands were you paying in rake in .01/.02 compared to .05/.10?

MrCaspan

humm I will have to look to be honest. I would be curious also.. Problem in I have 50K hands at that level and only 5K hands in 10NL

ReefAquarium

Just take the total rake at 1c/2c and the total rake at 5c/10 and divide by number of hands and adjust for stakes.

thisORthat

the poker gods blessed me with a free ticket...

thisORthat

Oh my goodness, someone just won The Deal jackpot. Typically I play at the beginning of poker session just in case for a piece of the pie but forgot today...

thisORthat

Not bad for a freeroll ...
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thisORthat

Today when I logged in I noticed an extra $9.56. Maybe from winning the half of The Deal pot that divided up between anybody that's played within past twelve hours. Before signing out yesterday I noticed the Deal Jackpot over $150k so I played once to take a chance. And it payed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGyW_YdkD8

MrCaspan

You should get an email that tells you that you won this. I get this every so often

thisORthat

Anybody else get a New Year's gift from Poker Stars?

thisORthat

@"Steve Main" - Today, I was reminded why I stopped playing cash games on Joker Stars !!!

PokerStars Hand #222183146456: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2021/01/03 11:11:02 ET
Table 'Concordia III' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: bojnice21 ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 2: Szendi58 ($1.96 in chips)
Seat 3: LeTr4p ($2.08 in chips)
Seat 4: Br0ketoker ($2 in chips)
Seat 5: alexis68141 ($2.02 in chips)
Seat 6: ThisOrThat2001 ($1.39 in chips)
Seat 7: azot97 ($0.90 in chips)
Seat 8: rauloc ($1.43 in chips)
Seat 9: cerber@6 ($0.39 in chips)
cerber@6: posts small blind $0.01
bojnice21: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ThisOrThat2001 [Ah Ad]
Szendi58: raises $0.02 to $0.04
LeTr4p: folds
Br0ketoker: folds
alexis68141: calls $0.04
ThisOrThat2001: raises $0.04 to $0.08
azot97: folds
rauloc: folds
cerber@6: folds
bojnice21: calls $0.06
Szendi58: calls $0.04
alexis68141: calls $0.04
*** FLOP *** [Js 2c 7d]
bojnice21: checks
Szendi58: checks
alexis68141: checks
ThisOrThat2001: bets $0.16
bojnice21: calls $0.16
Szendi58: folds
alexis68141: calls $0.16
*** TURN *** [Js 2c 7d] [5d]
bojnice21: checks
alexis68141: checks
ThisOrThat2001: bets $0.39
bojnice21: folds
alexis68141: calls $0.39
*** RIVER *** [Js 2c 7d 5d] [9s]
alexis68141: bets $1.39 and is all-in
ThisOrThat2001: calls $0.76 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.63) returned to alexis68141
*** SHOW DOWN ***
alexis68141: shows [8d 6d] (a straight, Five to Nine)
ThisOrThat2001: shows [Ah Ad] (a pair of Aces)
alexis68141 collected $3 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.11 | Rake $0.11
Board [Js 2c 7d 5d 9s]
Seat 1: bojnice21 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: Szendi58 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: LeTr4p folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Br0ketoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: alexis68141 showed [8d 6d] and won ($3) with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 6: ThisOrThat2001 showed [Ah Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: azot97 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: rauloc (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: cerber@6 (small blind) folded before Flop

MrCaspan

So you had someone in middle position flat infront of you so Naw in the pot you have 10c . You have the BEST starting hand preflop in Texas hold'em so you can not be priced out of a your hand. By priced out I mean no one can make a bet that would force you to fold. So you are solid. so you have a few choices now.. show you have a strong hand and raise it up, play it slow and disguise your AA with just a call. or fold.. we're not folding jokes aside. so you decided to raise but you raised it to 8c so understanding pot odds there is now a 18c pot and it folds all the way around to the original flatter they now are looking at this decision: all I have to do is put 4c into a pot to with 18c that's like 1:4.5 or 22% which means he can lose 78% of the time and still be profitable making this call. this opens his rage to call with a large range of cards.

The whole point of your bet should do a few things. You should want to get information from your bet. let's pretend you shove all in and he folds.. well you got information from that but it's a little too late. In that scenario the only hand that will call that is KK QQ or AK because you are screaming my hand is huge, yours better be also if you want to call me. Or you're on tilt.. So just shoving is not the best option here. a small raise as we saw before gets you no information because the play is going to call with any 2 cards because the price is right. if you just cold called like he did then you would have even less information also the possibility of other users coming into the hand that are fishing. So the only real option here is to raise it a considerable amount, like 3x to 5x their bet. The reason is in the math. let's assume you did this so you would have raised to 16c now the pot is 26c now anyone that has action after you has to look at their hand and think is it worth calling 16c, nope they are priced out. Comes back to original flatter and this is the section they have to make. I have to call 12c more to win 26c, now all of a sudden he has to win 54% of the time to make this call profitable.. this now narrows his range to a lot and they have to start think how well does this hand play postflop if I just CALL. You want to make a bet that will keep in pairs and suited connectors and evaluate the flop.. what could he have possibly called my raise with.. Narrow their range down.

I feel like you gave them too good of a price to not call. I would have done 4x there IMO only . I know you want to get paid off for AA but it's not worth letting any 2 cards into the hand because then it is impossible for you to evaluate their hand. you are playing blind at that point.

Also all this assumes your opponent playing $2NL understands pot odds, position, range etc.. Sometimes they are learning and will call you with anything no matter what the bet was!! This can even happen in a $200NL game that you assume everyone there has a grasp on the game.. they don't!!!

I played a AA hand in last night's cash game and I had to play it different as the flop determined.. it was 8max 7 at the table I was felt AA in middle position. I opened by raising it to 3x the BB I had the dealer raise me and I had not player a hand in like 30 hands so I just checked. If I had raised I was going to get a fold because made me look too much like an OMC only playing premium hands. the flop came down all clubs (I didn't have the A of clubs) and I shoved. the dealer scratched his head. After the hand he asked why I did that. Did I have a flush, a set. I said no I had AA and I had to protect it.. At that point the chances of someone having flush was less than 1% and the cards were not connected so no straight was there (yet) and if he flipped a set (12%) then so be it. I could not allow his to draw another card with out it costing him his stack. was it the right move.. debatable, I was a bit bored at the time. Did I get the most value for my AA, nope. But you have to always be re-evaluating even with AA

compuease

Move up to where they respect your raises.... lol... ok joking aside, better to win a small pot than lose your stack.. Steve is pretty spot on, he has learned a lot in the past couple of years and has done some studying and reading.

torontotablecpt

After that turn, the player is not going anywhere.

thisORthat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkHzOUzDjc&list=PLvZlja2OPoK_3wH9-UC5ArZU18fMOOg2I&index=5

Gogie

thisORthat;c-419816 wrotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkHzOUzDjc&list=PLvZlja2OPoK_3wH9-UC5ArZU18fMOOg2I&index=5

Interesting find Henry. My biggest question regarding PS dealing has always been "Is the deck shuffled before the hand is dealt (as in live poker and the hand is predetermined before the first card is dealt) or are the cards to be dealt determined as each street is dealt (a random number generator determines the next card dealt only after all action is completed on a particular street)?" Your video (assuming that it's legit, and I have no reason to think it isn't) confirms that PS deals hands the same way as is done in live poker, which is good to know. I've never really been a believer in the "conspiracy theories" circulating about how PS deals to create action etc.; PS has no reason to try to "game" the system - they make lots of easy money off the rake and buy-ins. Why risk losing the golden goose by rigging anything?

Now cheating on the "other side" of the computer is a completely different topic. Collusion and the use of RTS software is undoubtedly an issue with online poker so you still have to tread carefully.

thisORthat

Any other players ever try a "timed" tournament. There is an $11 KO Tournament that I'm aboot to play. "At the end of 1 hour, each surviving player will received a share of the prize pool...". Maybe registering late is a good idea?

thisORthat

OK so I stopped playing micros because I found that too many wingnuts were playing garbage lucking out and winning... at what level do players NOT play trash?
(Like I understand playing an odd random hand to balance range but maybe poker karma)

villain opened from button with 6.3bb
hero (me) 3bet from bb and villain called with 75o...

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compuease

7,5 is not really trash on the button, but what exactly happened that he got to the turn? What was your 3 bet to and what was the action on the flop. Was your 3b a min raise by any chance.

**edit** If I read it right villian raised to 1260 and you raised him all in? He had almost half his chips in at that point, he's not folding. Neither would I.

thisORthat

Maybe my mistake was to only min raise to 12.6bb which left him with about 1bb.
Maybe forcing him to contemplate his tournament life would've been the better move?

According to one chart I have 75s is playable from the button but 75o isn't. However, I still consider 7,5 marginal holdings. Like, I figured that villain was just making a move because no players raised in first from earlier positions. And I often play Ax from bb. I've played 7,5 before so now I know what it tastes like being on the other end of the poop schtick.

thisORthat

Gogie;c-419819 wrote Interesting find Henry. My biggest question regarding PS dealing has always been "Is the deck shuffled before the hand is dealt (as in live poker and the hand is predetermined before the first card is dealt) or are the cards to be dealt determined as each street is dealt (a random number generator determines the next card dealt only after all action is completed on a particular street)?" Your video (assuming that it's legit, and I have no reason to think it isn't) confirms that PS deals hands the same way as is done in live poker, which is good to know. I've never really been a believer in the "conspiracy theories" circulating about how PS deals to create action etc.; PS has no reason to try to "game" the system - they make lots of easy money off the rake and buy-ins. Why risk losing the golden goose by rigging anything?

@1:54
"We reach into the data stream [of information generated from two difference sources; the semi-opaque mirror and data from user input ie mouse movement & time to act] and randomly pick out a number between 1 and 52. And let's say we pull out the number 36. We go into the existing deck of cards. We take card number 36. We put it down on the table. Again we go into the data stream and pick a random number between 1 and 51. Say the number is 45. Great, we pull out card 45..."

@2:28
"Is that shuffle carried out before any cards are dealt?"
"Just like in a live game we shuffle the deck, then deal the cards from it..."

So it sounds to me like cards are assigned a random number between 1 and 52. So say the Ace of Hearts isn't always going to be say #1. But the cards aren't dealt in sequence. That is, no predetermination. The Turn, say is generated after the last person to act presses their button. And can be any remaining card in the deck.

To me this sounds more like Concentration where cards are picked randomly from table of cards laid out.

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