PFC online league to live event (idea)

trigs

sn1perb0y;399041 wroteDoes this mean it is good for a 15-20 player field?

it would work for any number.

trigs

trigs;399044 wrote(unless they could still win a percentage like i mentioned above - you know, the point everyone so far has ignored :D).

just to elaborate on my suggestion: winner of the league gets the $1100 to play a live tournament (or tournaments i guess). winner gets something like 80%-90% of any winnings from the live tournament and the other 10%-20% is divided among the rest of the league members based on how they finished in the points ranking. obviously, percentages would depend on how many members we have. even if only the top 5 or something win a percentage, it's still incentive to play.

-ANTE RIVER-

trigs;399039 wroteeasiest point system (for 20 members) would be to have points based on number of people. i.e. 20 - 1st, 19 - 2nd, 18 - 3rd etc.

Other leagues I know of use a formula similar to this one:
=ROUND(SQRT(# of Players)/SQRT(Position of Elimination)*2,2)

20 ppl, 1st = 8.94, middle = 2.83, last = 2
15 ppl, 1st = 7.75, middle = 2.93 (7th) 2.74 (8th), last = 2
10 ppl, 1st = 6.32, middle = 2.83, last = 2
5 ppl, 1st = 4.47, middle = 2.58 (3rd), last = 2

You can adjust the points given by changing the multiplication factor if you don't like all the smaller numbers

In anticipating a field of 20, by changing the multiplication factor to 22.36,
1st place = 100.00 pts, last is 22.36

15 runners: 1st = 86.6
10 runners: 1st = 70.71
5 runners: 1st = 50

etc...

sn1perb0y

trigs;399046 wrotejust to elaborate on my suggestion: winner of the league gets the $1100 to play a live tournament (or tournaments i guess). winner gets something like 80%-90% of any winnings from the live tournament and the other 10%-20% is divided among the rest of the league members based on how they finished in the points ranking. obviously, percentages would depend on how many members we have. even if only the top 5 or something win a percentage, it's still incentive to play.

I doubt anyone would have problems with having 10% for the participants, although It would be nicer if it would to a side event like the wsop $365 so that it would be more than one entry.

Bfillmaff

I like snipers idea of everybody regs up front and if you don't show up its on you. Its not like missing one (or two or even 3) means you are fucked, as best 5 out of 8 means you can skip up to 3 games if needed with no penalty - I think that is tons of room to work around scheduling issues.

IMO points should be the same regardless of entry count. everyone has the same opportunity to participate, therefore it is only luck that determines if you happen to get a shorthanded game - making it a non issue.

point structure, could be something like: 1st 10 pts, 2nd 7 pts, 3rd 4 pts. 4th 1 pt. (regardless of game size.) simple is key.

yes an equity game sounds good.

making progress, lets do it!

djgolfcan

I don't think the equity payout should be dependent on a person's finish though. Everyone contributed to the winners entry the same, so the equity payout should be equal.

sn1perb0y

I think 8 is way too many, specially that WPT Montreal and WSOP-c is by end of April i think if we do it for 6 weeks starting March 13th, we would be done by April 17th.

I have two friends that will let me know tonight if they want to join. Billmaff would you mind being escrow?

djgolfcan

sn1perb0y;399053 wroteI have two friends that will let me know tonight if they want to join. Billmaff would you mind being escrow?

I'd be ok with that, I know where he lives. :)

trigs

Bfillmaff;399051 wroteI like snipers idea of everybody regs up front and if you don't show up its on you.

i'm fine with this.

IMO points should be the same regardless of entry count. everyone has the same opportunity to participate, therefore it is only luck that determines if you happen to get a shorthanded game - making it a non issue.

point structure, could be something like: 1st 10 pts, 2nd 7 pts, 3rd 4 pts. 4th 1 pt. (regardless of game size.) simple is key.

i'm not picky about points structure. as long as we all agree and keep it simple.

djgolfcan;399052 wroteI don't think the equity payout should be dependent on a person's finish though. Everyone contributed to the winners entry the same, so the equity payout should be equal.

i'm fine with this if everyone agrees, but keep in mind that if we're doing at least 1% then that is 19% from winner (if we get 20 members that is).

sn1perb0y;399050 wroteI doubt anyone would have problems with having 10% for the participants, although It would be nicer if it would to a side event like the wsop $365 so that it would be more than one entry.

again, i'm fine with money being used for more than one tournament, but if that is the case i'd like some sort of time frame in place. i.e. winner has to finish within the next month or something like that.

sn1perb0y;399053 wroteI think 8 is way too many, specially that WPT Montreal and WSOP-c is by end of April i think if we do it for 6 weeks starting March 13th, we would be done by April 17th.

6 weeks with top four finishes counting?

Billmaff would you mind being escrow?

that's fine with me but keep in mind that we're giving our money to the guy with all the guns :D

Card Dead

Any time you have a league structure you have to adjust for # of participants in each event unless it's the same number every time. Therefore it has to go one of two ways:
a) everyone pays for and plays every event like OPT does, and gets blinded out if they can't make it that day, OR
B) you pay for each event you play in, and each entrant adds x points to the prize pool and the points get allocated out based on a predetermined formula that is dependent on the # of runners that day (e.g. 50/30/20), just like a cash tourney would be handled. Then whatever cash has been collected gets distributed based on the final standings.

Option a) makes the most sense for this format and is easiest to run. Drawback is that its tough for many ppl to commit to every event, especially with 2 events during March break. Only counting the top 4 scores would be very helpful.

Option b) only works if there is a payout for each week.

Bfillmaff

djgolfcan;399052 wroteI don't think the equity payout should be dependent on a person's finish though. Everyone contributed to the winners entry the same, so the equity payout should be equal.

agreed

sn1perb0y;399053 wroteBillmaff would you mind being escrow?

Sure if everyone is cool with it. Will make the payouts at the end easier as I'll probably win ;)

trigs;399055 wrote6 weeks with top four finishes counting?

I like it.

trigs;399055 wrotethat's fine with me but keep in mind that we're giving our money to the guy with all the guns :D

translation: your money is secure!

Card Dead;399057 wrotea) everyone pays for and plays every event like OPT does, and gets blinded out if they can't make it that day, OR

agreed this makes life way easier and is totally fair with only the top 4 finishes counting.

Bfillmaff

what are you guys thinking for target event?

WSOP-C? WPT? Brantford $550? Bill's Video?

sn1perb0y

I think WSOP-c or WPT Montreal. Specially that many PFCers are going there.
Depending on how many players will join I will say a side event that is worth 330-365 like the survivor event $330 or the WPT event 17 freezout $330 or the WSOP-C side event $365 such as event 1,2,3,6,7,8.

Here is the schedule for both:

https://www.playgroundpoker.ca/springclassic2016

Official Tournament Event Details | World Series of Poker Online

Card Dead

Bfillmaff;399059 wrotewhat are you guys thinking for target event?

WSOP-C? WPT? Brantford $550? Bill's Video?

Target event should be winners choice from a short-list of BF-approved events. Not everyone can make the Montreal events, but similar buy-in events like Brantford and Rama are more accessible.

sn1perb0y

Card Dead;399061 wroteTarget event should be winners choice from a short-list of BF-approved events. Not everyone can make the Montreal events, but similar buy-in events like Brantford and Rama are more accessible.

That is more reasonable.

Assuming we have 18 players: Total $990
1st: $365 wsop side event or $330+ 35 spending
2nd:365 wsop side event or $330+ 35 spending
3rd: $260?

Is everyone good with best 4 positions of 6 weeks?

I have updated OP with interest and club ID

Bfillmaff

I'm in, send invite code.

What time Sundays?

sn1perb0y

Bfillmaff;399063 wroteI'm in, send invite code.

What time Sundays?

since a student and all i do on sundays is play with my balls, im free from 12 noon to 7pm. its up to the rest

Bfillmaff

7 seems like a good time, im good with whatever works for everyone else

UBetIFold

Sunday's are probably the worst day for me unfortunately. Would love to be in it. I think the $300 ish events is a perfect happy medium

Card Dead

sn1perb0y;399062 wroteThat is more reasonable.

Assuming we have 18 players: Total $990
1st: $365 wsop side event or $330+ 35 spending
2nd:365 wsop side event or $330+ 35 spending
3rd: $260?

Is everyone good with best 4 positions of 6 weeks?

I have updated OP with interest and club ID

I think 10-12 players would be a better estimate. It's really tough to find a time that suits everyone.

Personally, I can't commit to 7pm on Sundays as it interferes with family Sunday dinner. 8pm would be the earliest I could do on Sundays.

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