moose With no reads, folding the flops isn't horrible but calling gives you the opportunity to learn what the player will do on later streets. Shoving on a reasonably safe board like this also works and would offer less variance than just shoving preflop, because you do have the option to fold a scary board and watch the action on the flop first. For example if the short stack had reopened the betting and villain just flats then I autoshove preflop. It got a little tricky because the betting didn't reopen. If the villain does have a big pair then the result is exactly the same whether you shove on the flop or preflop. However, simply being a calling station adds value against spewy opponents. This is where you are stuck because you haven't got much info on villain. I do believe tourney regs get a big advantage because they run into the same players over and over and collect data from their trackers. I always preferred playing Pokerroom for tourneys because as an occasional player tourney regs didn't have as much advantage because trackers didn't work on that site.
GTA Poker I don't play online, but in live poker very few players bet out trips in this spot at low limits. I would have his range as AA-QQ, TT-22 in this spot. I am never folding here after seeing that flop with the money that is in the middle given that I am slightly ahead of his range and I am obviously getting the correct odds vs his range, which is basically a flip.
The_Awesome In regards to flatting the flop vs. raise.... so basically let the spewer lay odds in your favour for you and keep the chance to re-evaluate each street? Makes sense.
mags I had recently read this thread when this happened yesterday. I have no history on the player other than watching his spewy behaviour in the short time at this table. The previous hand he had doubled up another player they are discussing it in the chat. PokerStars Hand #113893457836: Tournament #884081488, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (700/1400) - 2014/03/27 1:30:48 ET Table '884081488 65' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: FERASHOWWW (79055 in chips) Seat 2: neredo1 (81410 in chips) Seat 3: vitorbica (62007 in chips) Seat 4: TRON1987 (85396 in chips) Seat 5: cantthink123 (7120 in chips) is sitting out Seat 6: Ima Notellin (40240 in chips) Seat 7: superbry (49689 in chips) Seat 8: stefhands (38320 in chips) Seat 9: Cassidy2004 (94261 in chips) FERASHOWWW: posts the ante 175 neredo1: posts the ante 175 vitorbica: posts the ante 175 TRON1987: posts the ante 175 cantthink123: posts the ante 175 Ima Notellin: posts the ante 175 superbry: posts the ante 175 stefhands: posts the ante 175 Cassidy2004: posts the ante 175 stefhands: posts small blind 700 Cassidy2004: posts big blind 1400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ima Notellin [8d 8c] FERASHOWWW: folds neredo1: folds vitorbica: raises 5075 to 6475 TRON1987: folds cantthink123: folds Ima Notellin: calls 6475 superbry: folds stefhands: folds TRON1987 said, "now look at his raises lol" LoWrIdeR_BAR [observer] said, "lol a6 off" Cassidy2004: folds *** FLOP *** [2c 9d 9s] vitorbica: bets 16800 TRON1987 said, "he musta though i had 67" LoWrIdeR_BAR [observer] said, "he put u on k6 i think" TRON1987 said, "lol exactly" LoWrIdeR_BAR [observer] said, "suited !" Ima Notellin said, "hmmmmm" TRON1987 said, "IMA DO IT" LoWrIdeR_BAR [observer] said, "i think players can see my cards" TRON1987 said, "lmao are u in anything" Ima Notellin: raises 16790 to 33590 and is all-in vitorbica: calls 16790 *** TURN *** [2c 9d 9s] [Kc] LoWrIdeR_BAR [observer] said, "hes got an air bud" *** RIVER *** [2c 9d 9s Kc] [3s] TRON1987 said, "omg" *** SHOW DOWN *** vitorbica: shows [Ks Ts] (two pair, Kings and Nines) Ima Notellin: shows [8d 8c] (two pair, Nines and Eights) vitorbica collected 83805 from pot Ima Notellin finished the tournament in 164th place TRON1987 said, "NO" *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 83805 | Rake 0 Board [2c 9d 9s Kc 3s] Seat 1: FERASHOWWW folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: neredo1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: vitorbica showed [Ks Ts] and won (83805) with two pair, Kings and Nines Seat 4: TRON1987 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: cantthink123 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Ima Notellin showed [8d 8c] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights Seat 7: superbry (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: stefhands (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Cassidy2004 (big blind) folded before Flop