Pokerstars Canada cup!

jontm

Looks like a $265,000 overlay (or rough amount to be added before dealer tips)

1a + 1b = 290, 1c = 288 pretty good rule of thumb I'd say.

That's about 495 players less (nearly just half as big) than the inaugural WPT Montreal & 157 less than the $3,300 WPT Canadian Spring Championship that followed.

862 showed for the 2013 WPT Montreal which was a $3,500 + $350

Think Stars will try this again?

mikelbyl

Obviously we're going to look into everything very carefully.

Keep in mind the following:

a) every new event is just that - a NEW event. That applies to this year's CSC (different buy-in, completely different event) as well as this event. New events are by definition unpredictable.

b) Timing? Earlier would have conflicted with WPT World Champs and EPT Grand Final. Later is in the middle of the WSOP. The global poker calendar is VERY packed at the moment.

c) For the first WPT Montreal there hadn't been a major event in Eastern Canada (East of BC) for 5 years. Now (thanks largely, but not only, to us) there are at least half a dozen or more including Fallsview and WSOP-C. That's awesome for players, awesome for poker.

d) it hasn't been formally announced but it's not a secret either - the next fall event is the PokerStars Montreal Festival (year 2). Note the sponsor name change.

mikelbyl

Anyhow that's about all I'm going to say for the moment - I'm not prepared or qualified to rep Playground on this whole question - that's above my pay grade, so to speak.

BlondeFish

mikelbyl;375357 wroteObviously we're going to look into everything very carefully.
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d) it hasn't been formally announced but it's not a secret either - the next fall event is the PokerStars Montreal Festival (year 2). Note the sponsor name change.

Will PokerStars also be looking into everything on why there was a $266,000 overlay? :o Maybe sn1perb0y, SteveKerr, T8urmoney, lynx5 & anybody else who has played at Playground can comment on the following suggestions:

1) Have satellites that include cash for travel expenses, instead of seat-only. From what I heard, PokerStars did nothing for its qualifiers, unlike PartyPoker who treated us like VIPS at the seat-only WPT CSC.

2) Get Daniel Negreanu and other PokerStars-sponsored pros in North America to publicize and show up for the guaranteed event.

3) Include a Survivor Event next time. The poker economy in Kahnawake continues to shrink with the virtually unbeatable cash game rake.

4) Both pros (like chainsaw) and non-pros (like me) hates the re-entry format for big buy-in events. If the next main event is yet another re-entry, I'll just play the Survivor and other freezeouts, or just stay home and win at my usual games.

Will there be a WPT Montreal III in November sponsored by PartyPoker, who seems to have surprisingly done a better job than PokerStars? lynx5, sn1perb0y, my other friends and I look forward to the return of the Royal Flush Girls, PartyPoker models, >:D Kara Scott/Rizzo, Mike Sexton, etc.

jontm

mikelbyl;375357 wroteObviously we're going to look into everything very carefully.

Keep in mind the following:

a) every new event is just that - a NEW event. That applies to this year's CSC (different buy-in, completely different event) as well as this event. New events are by definition unpredictable.

b) Timing? Earlier would have conflicted with WPT World Champs and EPT Grand Final. Later is in the middle of the WSOP. The global poker calendar is VERY packed at the moment.

c) For the first WPT Montreal there hadn't been a major event in Eastern Canada (East of BC) for 5 years. Now (thanks largely, but not only, to us) there are at least half a dozen or more including Fallsview and WSOP-C. That's awesome for players, awesome for poker.

d) it hasn't been formally announced but it's not a secret either - the next fall event is the PokerStars Montreal Festival (year 2). Note the sponsor name change.

Great answers, and at the end of the day, I'm sure that none of the players mind the free 1/4 million - works out to be a rake free event and then some. Playground and the players win looks like, assuming Stars is writing the check.

D confuses me...fall of 2014 or 2015? Setting records wasn't working?

jontm

Also, please clarify, is the new sponsor for the FTP event or WPT one? Now I'm very confused??

mikelbyl

No - the Montreal Festival (early fall, last year) WAS the Full Tilt Montreal Festival, now it will be the PokerStars Montreal Festival and will be a similar tournament in late summer/early fall.

The WPT Montreal will be back for a 3rd year but the exact dates are still to be confirmed - but generally at the same time of the fall as in the past.

actyper

Aug 22 - Sep 3 is the Montreal festival

PokerStars Montreal Festival - over $1M guaranteed!

BlondeFish

Yuck, same re-entry and other formats that failed to attract more than two forum members and was short $266,000 of the guarantee. No Survivor or All-in-or-fold events for me to play. :( If this PCC only had 578 players, how can the shrinking Kahnawake poker economy by the summer attract 1,000 players to meet the guarantee?

Unless there is another Mega Overlay Satellite that pkrfce9 is willing to carpool with me (no bro jobs though) AND I win a satellite, I think I'd rather stay home during that period, and play the usual +EV games at Casino Rama/Brantford/GBH/Mohawk/1000 Islands/Woodbine/online.

actyper;375387 wrotePokerStars Montreal Festival - over $1M guaranteed!

P.S. Congrats to actyper. ^-^ Hope for a reunion like at the 2009 ME.

SteveKerr

If they didn't have the next day re-entry then they would have been more then $266k short of the guarantee.

Even though I am a fan of re-entry for satellites, I am not a fan of it for regular tournaments, but understand why they do it.

Only 578 players for a $3300 but in and the Montreal Festival is a $1100 buy in. I am sure they will find the needed players to surpass what is needed for the guarantee for the Festival

Wetts1012

I think the event is AT LEAST 1 day too long. They could have easily played down to a final table today (they only played 6 hours!), Im sure it will be less than that getting from 27 to 9.

mikelbyl

Wetts - in terms of length - the structure was built for more players going to Day 2, so 5 days with these numbers is long, but you have to build it to meet a wide variety of situations - and then you add things like a live stream which remove the ability to shorten things up...

But the $1100 was 5 days last fall as well, which was too many days even with a lot more players (structure was quicker), so we've adapted and it will be 4 days this year.

Blondefish - I always appreciate your comments but I would appreciate it even more if you would be less declarative about some things you say. By no measure can the Kahnawake poker economy be considered to be "shrinking" - not even close - but you declare this twice as if it's the absolute truth. It's almost like you're trying to spin us. And I wonder why.

I *work* at Playground and I hope you (all) note that I'm not trying, ever, to spin anyone even though it might almost be expected of me. I would really love the same respect back.

In terms of the next-day re-entry format I've said it before - I don't see how anywhere outside of Las Vegas or maybe Atlantic City could ever hope to host big events *without* it. At the WSOP you can host almost only freezeouts because when you bust, there are another half-dozen tourneys in town you can buy in to within a few hours. How do you encourage people to travel to a less-known area when there's only a single big event in a festival and variance is what it is? Are you really going to travel for a single event when you know that your quads could get cracked in level 2 and there's nothing you can do about it? Or are you going to restrict your poker tournament travel to *just* the WSOP in Las Vegas?

I fear that if this anti-next-day-re-entry takes hold that basically every single non-traditional poker market will be relegated to third-class status because of it. No one - esp those who are most vocal on the issue - has ever had even the slightest response to this.

The security issues around best-stack forward events are completely unfounded and not based on any actual evidence. The bogeyman stories that people raise are just not an issue in a well-managed event. In the current event, with 27 left we are exactly 7K over (if I recall correctly) on a 17M+ total chipcount (with a never-before-used chipset). By any standard that is exceptionally good.

Lastly - I haven't seen that part of the schedule yet, but I think you can fill in the blanks about the Mega Overlay satellite - it's a basic part of our formula - and it's especially effective for $1K-sized tourneys, when the overlay event can get 75 or more players into the event in one weekend. I guess there's a chance it won't fit, schedule-wise, but even I would be surprised.

Really lastly - Blondefish I take note of your request for All-in-or-fold and/or survivor events. Can you say more about what it is about those formats you appreciate? I think I get the survivor-love (and I agree that it's a great way for whole-festival-players to bolster their bankroll in mid-festival) but I'm less sure about the AIOF.

lynx5

I agree if there was more Survivor Event's I would be more likely to make the trip for those.

Blondefish can explain better why we want to see more of those structure tournaments.

BlondeFish

What do you mean by "spin?" ??? I asked a fellow Playground player that a Playground manager accused me of spinning and he said, must be a "young guy with that street lingo!" :p

My GTA friends & I drove to Playground in the first weekend of May and saw a healthy number of seats generated, so I was shocked by the impending overlay on May 23 after I saw the numbers for the first two days. After looking at Day 1B, I contacted my live friends at Playground that I was predicting an overlay, but they didn't even understand what an overlay is, :rolleyes: never mind it$ huge impli¢ation$.

I did manage to convince one friend - on the fence if he should sell the entry he won from the improved SNG - that he should "take the +EV shot." He is still in Day 2 of the $1,100 Event, and was part of a multi-way deal in the final table of another Event. "cheers:

With 20/20 hindsight that PokerStars would fail to generate enough qualifiers, I should have pre-packed and continued driving to Playground even though I was exhausted after my Wednesday late night win at Great Blue Heron Casino. I should have brought my laptop and multi-tabled online to meet my "Mission Impossible" goals while playing all the super satellites, improved SNGs, Event #7, Event #8 All in or nothing, etc.

P.S. I tried to Google what mikelbyl is accusing me of, but the best thing I could find so far was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU

mikelbyl;375487 wroteIt's almost like you're trying to spin us. And I wonder why.

I *work* at Playground and I hope you (all) note that I'm not trying, ever, to spin anyone even though it might almost be expected of me.

mikelbyl

I'm not accusing you of anything! This is a friendly conversation to me and you and I are friendly all the way. Just a quirk of the way you communicate I guess.

When I say "spin" it's a political term - using language in such a way to present one's personal opinion or analysis as a broadly accepted fact. I.e., as more than just your view - as something that is true and generally known to be true by most people.

I really appreciate the fact that you share your thoughts on all of this and don't want to endanger that.

So when you say, twice, "the shrinking Kahnawake poker economy" and then rely on that "fact" to make another point - that's what I'm talking about. You put it out there as if it were 100% immutably the FACT. When actually it is just your opinion.

For what it's worth, I think the poker economy in Canada as a whole - or maybe Central/Eastern Canada - is maturing and getting stronger. If there were 20 variables that could help us determine whether or not the poker economy is getting weaker, stronger or staying the same I think on almost all of them we would find, if we did the analysis, that it's getting stronger, not weaker. So when you present as FACT that it's shrinking - and repeat that - it sticks out to me.

Anyhow maybe I'll just come back to basics - the Canada Cup has been an amazing event. Attendance in events across the board has been fantastic, the poker play has been spectacular (and should continue - check out Table 39: PokerStars Canada Cup Main Event Day 4 seating chart & counts | PokerStars Canada Cup which I HOPE will be the feature table today).

In 2011 there was one major event - consisting of just 3 tournaments - in Eastern Canada. Now just 3 yrs later there are MANY more, including 4 big series/year at Playground, the WSOP-C, and a rejuvenated Fallsview. This is great for poker in Canada!

cns187

BlondeFish;375360 wroteWill PokerStars also be looking into everything on why there was a $266,000 overlay? :o Maybe sn1perb0y, SteveKerr, T8urmoney, lynx5 & anybody else who has played at Playground can comment on the following suggestions:

1) Have satellites that include cash for travel expenses, instead of seat-only. From what I heard, PokerStars did nothing for its qualifiers, unlike PartyPoker who treated us like VIPS at the seat-only WPT CSC.

2) Get Daniel Negreanu and other PokerStars-sponsored pros in North America to publicize and show up for the guaranteed event.

3) Include a Survivor Event next time. The poker economy in Kahnawake continues to shrink with the virtually unbeatable cash game rake.

4) Both pros (like chainsaw) and non-pros (like me) hates the re-entry format for big buy-in events. If the next main event is yet another re-entry, I'll just play the Survivor and other freezeouts, or just stay home and win at my usual games.

Will there be a WPT Montreal III in November sponsored by PartyPoker, who seems to have surprisingly done a better job than PokerStars? lynx5, sn1perb0y, my other friends and I look forward to the return of the Royal Flush Girls, PartyPoker models, >:D Kara Scott/Rizzo, Mike Sexton, etc.

Got to play in this tourney and had a blast came roughly 100th. Agree though that pokerstars should have had more pokerstars pros attend, DN would have definitely brought in more people. Antonio is cool, sat with him on day 1 and day 2 but he is not a pokerstars member. Pokerstars did nothing for me when I qualified online had to expense hotel myself. Can't complain though, I love Montreal.

SteveKerr

WOW

Sick last hand

4 handed and in one hand we have a winner

GBH reg Robert Notkin wins

jontm

What happened?

SteveKerr

4 way all in

KK vs KQ vs A10 vs 88

Kings held and was the chip leader by 550k

moose

Not shrinking? Orly?

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