Live: WPT Fallsview $4 Million+ Prize Pool

Popkorn

sn1perb0y;369591 wroteBack from Falls-view, ended great yesterday.. got a ticket from the super-satty and thought I wont be playing my A game because of the huge buy-in that i would be thinking of at the back of my head that i could of got 2500$ in cash..Also the best players in Ontario would be playing it which i'm probably not one of them. Sooo i sold it :p

I've talked to a lot of average players about this. And almost all of them sold off their 2.5k and 5k seats, just to have a profitable week. I would actually like more insight on this, because how I see it, you just scored yourself a shot at a quarter million dollars, and you didn't take the chance to win it. What is having 2k in profit for the week? Doesn't going to work at a regular job score you this in a month anyways?

I probably should start a different thread on this topic, but it really feels like this is one of the reasons 'poker is dying'. I mean, if everyone wasn't shy about playing the $2500 tournament that they won seats for, I think we would've had over 800 runners for that tournament.

blackmagicz

The problem is most poker players are losing poker players and when they talk amongst themselves there is a common denominator of "I'm not good enough to play a high buy in event but good enough to beat 10 regs at fallsview"

The regs at fallsview know their limits in that aspect and know when the big boys come in to town they have no chance when in actual fact they probably have a better chance in the short term in terms of luck. Obviously in the long run they would lose in these types of buy ins but to take 500 and turn it to 2500 then a chance at 250k is pretty much a no brainer but they don't think that way.

It's probably the same reason why Brantford and blue heron are always going to be soft. The regulars enjoy a certain style of play and calibre and it stays off the radar of decent players in terms of if they are making 500 - 1m playing a 350 or 550 monthly buy in with no real notoriety doesn't appeal to them.

This of course bows well for decent players who play either part time or some of the pfc crowd who have a bit more education surrounding the game

BlondeFish

On my way to the horribly run casino to take photos of the Royal Flush Girls with any forumers there.

sn1perb0y

Popkorn;369658 wroteI've talked to a lot of average players about this. And almost all of them sold off their 2.5k and 5k seats, just to have a profitable week. I would actually like more insight on this, because how I see it, you just scored yourself a shot at a quarter million dollars, and you didn't take the chance to win it. What is having 2k in profit for the week? Doesn't going to work at a regular job score you this in a month anyways?

I probably should start a different thread on this topic, but it really feels like this is one of the reasons 'poker is dying'. I mean, if everyone wasn't shy about playing the $2500 tournament that they won seats for, I think we would've had over 800 runners for that tournament.

I started playing poker for real money around a year and a half ago. I am still in the phase of building my poker bankroll. Although IMHO I think I am a winning player and a good player I don't think it is right for me to play a 2.5k tournament when my bankroll is around 50% of that. I was going to play the 1.1k tournament but because of the insanely high price i didn't. Also i decided to use the same money playing the events at Montreal with lower buy-ins to increase my chances with more tournaments at lower variance. I don't think its right to play a tournament just because it has a big prize pool with the "chance" of winning quarter a million, smart players would take into consideration the type of players in the field, bankroll management and other aspects that would lead to success in the long term.

blackmagicz

sn1perb0y;369679 wroteI started playing poker for real money around a year and a half ago. I am still in the phase of building my poker bankroll. Although IMHO I think I am a winning player and a good player I don't think it is right for me to play a 2.5k tournament when my bankroll is around 50% of that. I was going to play the 1.1k tournament but because of the insanely high price i didn't. Also i decided to use the same money playing the events at Montreal with lower buy-ins to increase my chances with more tournaments at lower variance. I don't think its right to play a tournament just because it has a big prize pool with the "chance" of winning quarter a million, smart players would take into consideration the type of players in the field, bankroll management and other aspects that would lead to success in the long term.

I think it was more of the fact that if you're playing the satty why are people trying to sell them after the fact and not playing the event all together. Obviously if you are building a bankroll you aren't even going near the sattys

jontm

This needs article. Keep the debate coming. I'm noticing Satties can be profitable as almost an alternative cash grind, but now liking the view that you can make money any day of the week but life changing shots are few between...carry on

BlondeFish

I'm with Colin408 & his friend at East Side Mario's. We didn't see any member at the poker room, but in case anybody is still at Fallsview, you can join us.

blackmagicz

jontm;369681 wroteThis needs article. Keep the debate coming. I'm noticing Satties can be profitable as almost an alternative cash grind, but now liking the view that you can make money any day of the week but life changing shots are few between...carry on

Well I also consider the fact that the majority of players you see grinding sattys are regs who are going to play the event as well. So if you can beat them there you shouldnt have a problem navigating through most of the tourney, look at the day 2 list of the 2500, majority are amateur players. But then on the otherhand people sit at wsop and grind sattys but you run into the problem like always of trying to unload them.

I think of old sayings, cash makes you and tournies are for fun. But there are always exceptions

jontm

Oh yeah and if we could post about the BAP again in the thread, would be awesome cause most confusing I have ever been in...looks like we had $1,100 + $275 + $550 for a total of $1925 in entries of the $8,600 anticipated, which won $2,500ish?

So how's that work? $6,675 is refunded at MU of 1.13 for $7542.75 + $2,500? Looks like about even money (therotically we get our percentage of $42.75 which is shrapnel prob not worth transferring).

It doesn't look like you accepted the EMTs yet either, which is even better since EMT fee I added plus the one you and I would pay would just lose us money.

LMK if did that right.

BlondeFish

OK if I play the $550 Brantford Deep Stack as part of this BAP? If any of the investors object, please let me know. I'll figure it all out once I'm out of this horrible one-of-a-kind casino. I'm just hanging around with SteveKerr, Vekked, Xuan, etc., waiting to go to Sundowners. >:D

KGH

sn1per - the only part of your logic I don't understand is the idea that you can't play it straight because you'll be thinking of the cash you could have made. One of the big reasons I would play the satellite for just about any tourney >$500 buy-in (regardless of whether or not my roll can afford it) is so I can play it straight - with only a fraction of the buy-in invested, I should be able to play more aggressively than players who bought in full.

If you think your skill level is such that (100% * ticket sell price) > (probability of cashing the event * amount of the cash), then go ahead and sell, but frankly I think you and some other forumers are exaggerating the skill level of the FPC, at least the $1100 and $2500 events.

Hobbes

No Prob BF

JimmyHo

BlondeFish;369690 wroteI'm just hanging around with SteveKerr, Vekked, Xuan, etc., waiting to go to Sundowners. >:D

What happened to the promised pictures of the RFGs?

sn1perb0y

blackmagicz;369680 wroteI think it was more of the fact that if you're playing the satty why are people trying to sell them after the fact and not playing the event all together. Obviously if you are building a bankroll you aren't even going near the sattys

I played the satellite because its 10x lower than the event, Yes my first decision was if i win it ill play the event itself, but i wasn't going to play the event if i didn't get the ticket. I then thought its better to make 2.4k (price at which i sold it) rather than play it and even after 2 days if i min cash its not a significant difference.

sn1perb0y

KGH;369691 wrotesn1per - the only part of your logic I don't understand is the idea that you can't play it straight because you'll be thinking of the cash you could have made. One of the big reasons I would play the satellite for just about any tourney >$500 buy-in (regardless of whether or not my roll can afford it) is so I can play it straight - with only a fraction of the buy-in invested, I should be able to play more aggressively than players who bought in full.

If you think your skill level is such that (100% * ticket sell price) > (probability of cashing the event * amount of the cash), then go ahead and sell, but frankly I think you and some other forumers are exaggerating the skill level of the FPC, at least the $1100 and $2500 events.

I understand your point, When i played the main event at playground it was my first ever, and i busted in 4 hours (although i was in for 115$) and when i busted i was like "i could of had 1k"which probably influenced selling this ticket as well, which is even for double the price. I play online for 5-10$ and every time i win the satellite for the sunday million i back off and just get T$. I think i should take my shots more often, yet it was a nice 2.4k cash. I am a student and I try to make the best out of it when i am able to play. It wasn't just the bankroll, the previous tournament or the cash. it was all together that made my decision. That being said I was so tempted to play the tournament specially with the confidence boost after getting the ticket but i backed off :(

blackmagicz

sn1perb0y;369696 wroteI played the satellite because its 10x lower than the event, Yes my first decision was if i win it ill play the event itself, but i wasn't going to play the event if i didn't get the ticket. I then thought its better to make 2.4k (price at which i sold it) rather than play it and even after 2 days if i min cash its not a significant difference.

If you are sitting thinking about min cashing before you even get dealt the first hand you have the wrong attitude to tournaments. Go in to win. I don't care what the buy in or who is at my table I want to win! Get out there and punish people

sn1perb0y

blackmagicz;369698 wroteIf you are sitting thinking about min cashing before you even get dealt the first hand you have the wrong attitude to tournaments. Go in to win. I don't care what the buy in or who is at my table I want to win! Get out there and punish people

I am a confident person and hate loosing but also people should be realistic. I'm not saying that your mentality shouldn't be to win every time you play an event.
The odds are low and the variance is high and I have a lot more to learn.

sn1perb0y

jontm;369681 wroteThis needs article. Keep the debate coming. I'm noticing Satties can be profitable as almost an alternative cash grind, but now liking the view that you can make money any day of the week but life changing shots are few between...carry on

Life changing shots are available every week thanx to Pokerstars :P

Colin408

Well I will be leaving to go back to Havelock tomorrow. I had a very good time and enjoyed being at my first WPT poker festival! Thank you very much to Buddy/Blondefish who took my friend and I out for dinner!

Trip report will be coming tomorrow if I'm not to tired.

jontm

BlondeFish;369690 wroteOK if I play the $550 Brantford Deep Stack as part of this BAP? If any of the investors object, please let me know. I'll figure it all out once I'm out of this horrible one-of-a-kind casino. I'm just hanging around with SteveKerr, Vekked, Xuan, etc., waiting to go to Sundowners. >:D

For me I'm just gonna bow out now. Having .25% of 3.5 million in potential prize pools is still something, of $35k not so much. The stupid OLG rules blocking any updates don't even allow for a sweat.

Thanks for the BAP though.

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