Help a noob out in 1/2 No limit

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kenshi3;369099 wroteThanks for the reply and help guys.

Update:

Lost $300 2 nights ago.

Hand 1:

Was facing villain to my left, hes a regular player 25 + asian guy, TAG I believe.

I don't remember the exact details but, I had AhKc , i raised to $12, 4 ppl called including villian.

Flop comes:

Ad Jc 10d

I bet $25, villain re-raises me to $65, the other 2 limpers folded. I tanked and called.

Turn:

9d

Villain bets $65

I folded. Should I have manned up here and just went all in when my stack was only $100 left? I cashed in $200 to start. I was scared he hit flush. Sigh.

Your instinct to not stack off with one pair was correct. If you go all in there, what hands that you are ahead of would call? would any better hands fold?

Without any info other than "asian TAG", i don't think folding was wrong. Look at the hands in his range - that raise means AJ, A10, JJ, 1010, or a bluff. Maybe KQ but he probably just calls with the nuts. Maybe KK which you can add to the bluff category. Maybe AQ/AK and going crazy, but thats a very small part of his range.

With more information (hands you have seen him play), you can adjust your range. (I tend to snap off asians if I have seen them making moves on previous hands.)

Fold and move on - and NEVER show your AK. Muck and say you had 88 or something.

kenshi3;369099 wrote
Hand 2:

Hero has pocket 6s, facing the 45 yr old TAG guy to the right with only 5 players left on the table,

Hero only has around $100 left.

Villain bets $15 pre-flop. Everyone folds except me and I called.

Flop comes:

345 rainbow.

Villain bets:

$25, Hero calls.

Turn:

Jd

Villain bets $35, Hero folds.

Your stack was too small to call down one card at a time. Shove that flop over his bet, that gives you two ways to win. With more chips in front of you, calling the 25 and even the 35 wouldn't be bad at all.

kenshi3;369099 wrote
Good thing tonight, I won it all back using my tightest strategy. Got paid off when I had kings and aces and ppl went all in with 9s.

There ya go! Last time it was you with the 9's. That's progress.

kenshi3;369099 wrote Can anyone explain , how you bet to "see" where people are at? When should I bet to see where someones range is. I've been putting ranges on people, but I think it's gotta get some time to used to.

Every bet will gain you information. Don't look at it as "should I bet here to gain information?", look at it as "I made a bet here because ______, and my opponent __________, which means he doesn't have _____ or ____, and is more likely to have ____." What you are looking for is a list of hands he might have that keeps getting smaller and smaller as more information flows in. Your opponents reaction to every action will provide a small piece of that information. Some bets will provide more information than others. Some bets will be designed to fool you, but in the long run bets mostly mean what they mean. Practice this at every step of every hand and just focus on what he *doesn't* have.

kenshi3;369099 wrote
Also, I cashed $100 on pokerstars. Played 0.5/1NL, and got my bankroll crushed when I had kings and 3 betted and the guy put me all in and he had aces and crushed me.

Now I'm scared to play online, and I don't pay attention if I play lower stakes, I just don't think I'm earning enough money to be worth my time.

The guys playing at 0.50/1.00 NL online are not dicking around. Online poker is tougher than live poker, it is faster and full of better opponents who will take your money if you hesitate for a second. I do very well in live games but I am losing or break-even at best playing .10-.25 online. I could only dream of beating 0.50/1.00.

Just consider the possibility of losing 40 consecutive buyins (your KK vs AA is a great example... that happens) and decide on the proper stake from there. Once you do, look at the game as # of big blinds, not dollars.

kenshi3;369099 wrote
Most likely because I don't multi-table like everyone. I just like to play 1 table and focus on that one.
I wonder if I should deposit some more for online play. So far I'm down $200 in online play right now. =(

Nothing wrong with playing one table, its a better way to improve your game.

kenshi3;369099 wrote
I was up to $170 at 1 point with the $100 but kings vs aces... starting to think its rigged...

it IS rigged!

http://fuckpokerstars.com/flvplayer.swf?autostart=false&file=PokerStars_bad_beat.flv

kenshi3

Update:

Couple days ago, Won $315 from Edgewater for 4 hr session in 1/2 NL. Got seated left of a 40 yr asian loose ass mutha daddy fker. This guy would just bet pre-flop always $min 7 ( rarely ) max of 30. Usually its 15-20 pre-flop. He transferred his chips from another table right when I got there, and he made 3 trips to get his chips worth of $800

My stack started with $200 as usual, pretty much leaked down to $130 because i kept calling wit marginal hands, suited connectors, low pair then all overboard happens and dont make sets. and flop is expensive due to aggro ass villain.

Then eventually, Some nammer to my left raised to $30 on the button everyone folded cept me and i called, I called wit QQ flop comes A Q 10 . He pretty much bet 80/100 of his remaining stack and i put him all in.

Turn 10, River 2.

nammer shows AK, QQ full house wins. doubled up, ta very much.

Then I wasn't really tilty anymore, and was up $60.

Then pretty much the whole day went daddy villain calling wit loose ass hands and I beat him wit sets , put him to value town wit pairs etc.

But dude this hand I rmb i screwed up so hard, I'm still kinda kicking myself in the balls.

I had Q10cc

villain raises 15, i call and limper called.

Board comes:

9d Js 5h

Villain in EP bets $25

I folded, 1 one of them won wit a shitty pair. I coulda won so much money, I didn't know why I was pussying out there at all, I had 2 open enders and i guess pair q 10 pair for improved hand?... sigh.

Final Board was 9d Js 5h 8c 3s

So can someone tell me how you know when your medium strength or lower pair is decent enough? What would be the right amount % of pot wise for you to call in order to find out? You might suffer 3 turns of firing and lose alot of money if theres higher pair or better, considering both good and bad kickers. There were couple hands when villain and others go all da way down wit betting, but they only have low pair etc. =/

My image at the table is so freaking nitty. Everytime I rasied loose villain, he would just fold because he knew I had him beat wit something. Then some other old dude told me he put me on AQ or AJ when i pre flop raised, $15 and flop came A 3 3 . and he folded. When I had 55. Not sure good or bad?

But all in all it was a fun session, getting to sit beside a $800 stack to start guy, we were pretty much the only ones who lasted 4 hours while everyone else on table left or got stepped on by me or him.

Update 2:

Just finished my first ever-tournament, lasted 2 hours. $25 + $5 4000 chips. 20 min blinds. Daily touney at casino.

Any tips for this? I feel like its more of a coin flip game unless you can really out play early, i suppose? Its so easy to move all in that theres not much room for raising cuz ppl just all in you. Its just so different from cash games.

The hand that knocked me out:

I was MP, have 3200 left, blinds were 300/600.

Everyone folded, I all in'd.

BB tanks wit 7000 chips and calls me.

Everyone else folds.

He showed QQ, I had 33.

Board: Got Raped.

I was out... maybe next time its not so good idea to call all in wit low pocket pairs in MP when blinds arent even getting you yet. I'm pretty sure I'm overvaluing low pocket pairs in cash & tournie. Other thing that really made me do it was because I did it wit AK 3 hands ago and showed afterwards when everyone folded, so i got some bravery boost there=( Pay out was $600 for 1st place ) Coulda used that gambling money man. Dammit. Tournie: 70%+ luck IMO

All is well because I'm considering getting coaching. >:D

compuease

kenshi3;369371 wrote All is well because I'm considering coaching. >:D

How much are you charging?

kenshi3

compuease;369373 wroteHow much are you charging?

Getting coaching, not coaching others. lol . I wish I was good enough to coach others in my current state.

EdtheTed

"So can someone tell me how you know when your medium strength or lower pair is decent enough? What would be the right amount % of pot wise for you to call in order to find out? You might suffer 3 turns of firing and lose alot of money if theres higher pair or better, considering both good and bad kickers. There were couple hands when villain and others go all da way down wit betting, but they only have low pair etc. =/"

"I had 2 open enders" You had one 'open ender'.

You have to count your outs and equity. You have an open ended straight draw and might possibly win with another Q. You have a 32% chance of making the straight (or 1 in 3). There was $45-48 in the pot after the first round and now the villain bets another $25. If you and the limper call, that would mean you'd be spending $25 to win a pot of $115. This means you are getting better than 4 - 1 odds on your money and you are 3 - 1 for making the straight. So it is an obvious call. Combining that with your villain's betting history and the excellent implied odds of making more on the turn and river makes calling a great idea.

" I'm pretty sure I'm overvaluing low pocket pairs in cash & tournie. " Certainly you are. These are great for set mining and not much else. If you are under 6 bb in a tournament and in middle to late position then they are ok for a shove. But any two over cards make it a race and you are dominated by any higher pair.

I would suggest reading a few books like Phil Gordon's Little Blue Book and Little Green Book. Harrington on tournament poker is good. Other excellent books have been mentioned in the forum. Andrew is really good at Thinking Poker and posts hands and readers respond with their lines. It is interesting that, depending on your "read", there may be a couple of valid lines to take.

kenshi3

Update:

Bad day, lost $200, it was a tight table most people were $100ish stack while I was $200+ . I played loose agressive, and was winning maybe only $50 after winning many small pots only wit blinds, since I would always take initiative and bet $10-20 on the flop, but for this hand:

KJ vs set of 5s on a Q 9 5 8 J board, and lost like half my chip stack cuz i tried to blow him away on the turn wit a $75 bet when flop bet was only $20.

Then I went on tilt I think and i raised with AQo to 12 and tight winning daddy villain 3 bets me to 25 and I all in'd, turns out he has KK and flop hit a queen of mine but lost remaining $100 stack.

I lost my cool, I showed my cards couple times, i showed both bluffs and nonbluffs. I think my ego got me when I kept winning small pots with c-bets, then I thought it was gonna be my night, but overestimated them when they do hit their hands.

I guess I'll have to go my old strat to just play tight, but this session at least allowed me to play loose agressive for once. Its pretty fun to play like that when you're center of attention.

Lesson of the day: dont bluff when shown resistance with a $20 call on the flop from a 40 yr old guy. Also dont go all in wit AQo when 3 betted on.

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