Live Poker Question

akshrivas

Hi Guys,

So I was playing $1/$2 nl at Casino Niagara last night and wanted some feedback on a hand that I played (I'll do my best to give as much details as I can).

There were 10 players at the table, I UTG and dealt AA (sorry, don't remember the suites).

On a side note, I had been on the table for about 1.5 hours at this point and noticed that players were generally pretty loose, at least 4-6 players in most flops, and the standard raise at this table seemed to be about $10-$11.

So, I raised preflop $11 and got 3 callers, the button and both blinds.

The flop comes 3 5 7 rainbow, the blinds check, I c-bet $20 into a $44 pot, and the button shoves for an extra $183, the blinds fold.

Now, from what I'd seen, the button player seemed to be a regular and was pretty loose. He'd also seen me show down some strong hands earlier in the game (pocket Kings, and also pocket Aces).

I started the hand with close to $450 and, based on my read of the button player, I decided to call. (I couldn't see any flush or straight draws so figured that he was trying to bluff me off the pot).

End result: the buy had two pair so he'd called my preflop raise with 5 7 and hit top two pair on the flop. I couldn't improve and lost the hand.

So, did I mess up on this one? Should I have raised more preflop, on the flop, folded to the shove?

Let me know if there's any more info I can give and thanks in advance for the feedback!

DrTyore

Thoughts;

Pre-flop's fine if you have been playing standard to the table as well. What's your image tight / nit? Average? Loose?

Calling $183 into a pot of $283? Pretty steep... and your read that the guy's a regular that shows down strong hands? I fold.

Edit for more: You don't see any straight draws? There's a made straight out there.

Your preflop was fine, the flop, I probably go a little more than 1/2 pot, just to pressure people, but ya. Fold.

Mark

akshrivas

DrTyore;354213 wroteThoughts;

Pre-flop's fine if you have been playing standard to the table as well. What's your image tight / nit? Average? Loose?

Calling $183 into a pot of $283? Pretty steep... and your read that the guy's a regular that shows down strong hands? I fold.

Edit for more: You don't see any straight draws? There's a made straight out there.

Your preflop was fine, the flop, I probably go a little more than 1/2 pot, just to pressure people, but ya. Fold.

Mark

Hey Mark,

Yeah, about 5 minutes after putting up my post I realized the potential straight...but I agree, I should've folded that one.

Just a slight correction though, the reg hadn't shown down strong hands but instead he'd seen me show down strong ones. Also, I'd seen him play some weak hands before and show some bluffs too.

That being said, with the possible straight out there and that I had to call 183 to win 267, definitely should've folded.

Thanks for the reply!

akshrivas

So as a kind of follow-up to my last question about the hand I played, could anyone tell me just from their experience what some of the best times would be to play 1/2 nl at Casino Niagara.

I'm sure it must be Friday nights, and weekends but just thought I'd hear some of your experiences.

Thanks in advance!

djgolfcan

akshrivas;354223 wroteSo as a kind of follow-up to my last question about the hand I played, could anyone tell me just from their experience what some of the best times would be to play 1/2 nl at Casino Niagara.

I'm sure it must be Friday nights, and weekends but just thought I'd hear some of your experiences.

Thanks in advance!

Long Weekends (American & Canadian), yw.

pkrfce9

This should be in analyze my hand. Do you want to do an actual analysis if this was a good or bad call? that is what we used to do when this forum was a place to I'd visit to advance my poker skill.

I need to know what kind of hand he puts you on and given his image and what you think he thinks you have, what hands would push here.

fwiw I think opening to 11 pf in a 1/2 game especially if the max is 200 or less is crazy

I'm typing this on my phone and it is a pain in the ass so I won't go further now. any good app?

JimmyHo

fold, your behind.

pkrfce9

pokerJAH;354280 wrotefold, your behind.

Too simplistic. Where is the analysis? He is coming here to learn how to fish not to be given a fish. Especially a fish that stinks.

What odds is he being offered? Something like 6:4? If you look at the EXACT hand he is a 7:3 dog so ok don't call but even so a call is only slightly wrong.

Now go back to my original question. You don't know the exact hand. You have to put him on a range that would push here and decide if you are getting the right price here. Make sure that range includes at least 10% bluffs.

So let's put in a small amount of effort to get some value from the discussion. I'm willing to participate but I need some help. Or we can just keep the forum as a place to post upcoming small stakes tournies and useless non-poker topics and I can go back to sleep. I do not prefer that option and I hope I am not alone.

That and it's *you're* not *your*. :)

Signed
Your friendly neighbourhood English Nazi. (And yes I had to correct the correction of my spelling of 'neighborhood')

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pkrfce9

Too bad the people who need to learn aren't willing to put in some effort here.

zzz

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JimmyHo

pkrfce9;354283 wroteToo simplistic.

Anyone that re-raises $183 into such a small pot can easily beat AA (re: one pair). Very hard to catch up to two pairs in this spot and if they have a set, you are drawing to two outs. Easy fold IMO.

Cash games are all about trapping players. Big pairs are great starting hands, and you typically want to isolate pre-flop to heads up, not three other players. Its very easy to get out drawn on the flop with an overpair.

If this player is a complete donk, and has been showing a lot of bluffs and/or top pair with shitty kicker, then maybe you can call. But in most cases, with most competent players, you are behind.

I say they have two pair and are trapping as they know this guy is tight and he has an overpair and can't fold it. Classic trap.

pkrfce9

If the guy knows he has you easily beat why raise so much to try to blow you out of the pot?

Ok now back to my original questions. What range does he put you on and what range pushes against it?

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compuease

pkrfce9;354273 wrote fwiw I think opening to 11 pf in a 1/2 game especially if the max is 200 or less is crazy

Well if you are playing 1/2 at Niagara on a typical Fri or Sat night, you are going to get 4-5 callers with $11. so if that is what you want go for it..

pkrfce9

compuease;354330 wroteWell if you are playing 1/2 at Niagara on a typical Fri or Sat night, you are going to get 4-5 callers with $11. so if that is what you want go for it..

There is no decision in that case. Your spr is not much more than 4 and you would never fold against an aggro.

Might as well put 25+% of the effective stack in pf and jam the flop.

Bingo.

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pkrfce9

Fwiw I have to think the guy who jammed hates money but that depends upon ranges but no one wants to discuss that.

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JimmyHo

pkrfce9;354329 wroteIf the guy knows he has you easily beat why raise so much to try to blow you out of the pot?

Ok now back to my original questions. What range does he put you on and what range pushes against it?

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He knows this guy has an overpair and can't fold it. He isn't pushing with a gut shot. He could also have an over pair, but unlikely.

BlondeFish

pkrfce9;354325 wroteToo bad the people who need to learn aren't willing to put in some effort here.

Why don't you post your range/mathematical analysis first so you can become even better than those who don't put in the effort. I'm busy grinding the electronic tables at OLG Slots for the upcoming Tournament of Champions.

pkrfce9

I would say he puts OP on an overpair (60%) or a strong Ace (25%). The chances of 77, 55, 33 or 2pr or OESD are very small but not negligible. The rest are bluffs. All sets and 2prs are calling the gross overbet but only some of the overpairs and probably not the OESD. I say the villain did not make the optimal play by jamming there.

There is still the other side to consider. What range jams there and is it profitable to call? I will bet the answer is not what you think.

zzz

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JimmyHo

My experience tells me I am behind based on the bet/pot size ratio. If there was a flush draw likely, I could see this size of bet being made as well. 60% two pair, 10% set, 10% bluff , 10% over pair to flop, 10% other.

Just re-read OP, two pair as I expected.

pkrfce9

I don't necessarily agree with that range (i think more worse hands push and stronger hands don't) but let's go with it for now. What is the OPs equity against that range?

zzz

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Wetts1012

pkrfce9;354283 wroteMake sure that range includes at least 10% bluffs.

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Need your definition of bluff on this board.

There's no chance that I assign anywhere close to 10% as a bluff here (at least my definition), on this board with the described action. It's far (far) closer to 0.

I weight heavily towards 2 pair hands and flopped straights. poorly played 99+. Possibly A7 (bluff?).