Who wins a battle in the afterlife??

DataMn

One 90 year old man or thousands of fetuses??

Henry Morgentaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Milo

Well . . . assuming said afterlife is of the Catholic variety, what makes you think they would end up in the same location?

I will not relish in the death of another human being, but I will not weep for Morgentaler, nor will I embrace the hagiography that has know doubt already begun. His quest to abolish our abortion laws was, for him, as much about money as any sympathy for a woman's Right to control her body.

The Prophet 22

Milo;353583 wrote Morgentaler quest to abolish our abortion laws was, for him, as much about money as any sympathy for a woman's Right to control her body.

I couldn't agree more. I could say more about what I believe his fate will be for eternity but I will pass.

Richard~

I think the bible states that we're given new, perfect bodies in the afterlife so that might be a pretty brutal one

DrTyore

Guy's a hero.

Mark

compuease

DrTyore;353594 wroteGuy's a hero.

Mark

sure... stir the pot... pretty quiet here lately anyways..

DrTyore

Well sure!

Yes I like to stir the pot, but this guy has been fighting for women's rights since 1967. He risked his career, and his very life to stand up for what he believed in, and help women throughout Canada.

I am (as many probably could have guessed), staunchly pro-choice. But this guy (according to the link posted) also was one of the first to offer other birth-control options to both men and women. He has saved lives both directly and indirectly, he has bettered society and at the most simple level, you have to respect the fact that this guy stood up for what he knew to be right despite the threats.

Hero

Mark

The Prophet 22

DrTyore;353599 wroteWell sure!

Yes I like to stir the pot, but this guy has been fighting for women's rights since 1967. He risked his career, and his very life to stand up for what he believed in, and help women throughout Canada.

I am (as many probably could have guessed), staunchly pro-choice. But this guy (according to the link posted) also was one of the first to offer other birth-control options to both men and women. He has saved lives both directly and indirectly, he has bettered society and at the most simple level, you have to respect the fact that this guy stood up for what he knew to be right despite the threats.

Hero

Mark

That is like saying Hitler or the KKK are heroes because they stood up for their beliefs to better society by exterminating inferior races to make society better. Do I respect them for standing up for their beliefs? I think Milo hit it directly on the head. Money plain and simple and the world is better off without him. Did you know that this kind of thinking has gotten to the point that they want to pass laws that allow deaths of infants up to the age of two. Morgentaler is on the same par as Hitler for the murder of the innocent. And both will rot in hell as the remember all the life they have terminated.

trigs

The Prophet 22;353606 wroteThat is like saying Hitler or the KKK are heroes because they stood up for their beliefs to better society by exterminating inferior races to make society better. Do I respect them for standing up for their beliefs? I think Milo hit it directly on the head. Money plain and simple and the world is better off without him. Did you know that this kind of thinking has gotten to the point that they want to pass laws that allow deaths of infants up to the age of two. Morgentaler is on the same par as Hitler for the murder of the innocent. And both will rot in hell as the remember all the life they have terminated.

i just want to make sure i read this right.

guy risking his life/reputation on giving all women the right to choose what they can do with their own bodies is equal to hitler exterminating an entire race for his own personal gains.

ummm....okay then. just checking.

EDIT: i will admit that i personally don't know the specific reason why this guy fought for pro choice rights for women. maybe he was completely selfish and he planned on making millions of dollars or at least getting a crap ton of pussy for being such a great women's activist. however, despite his reason, i do not understand your comparison at all. i'd ask you to further explain but, honestly, you've never once responded to any of my comments/questions directed towards you so i'm not holding my breath.

trigs

and to answer the OP:

fetuses win. power in numbers.

Shtebs

While Morgentaler was not a bastion of virtue in his personal life (which of us is?), he risked much to forward a noble and worthwhile cause. I admire his unyielding determination to do what is just and right in the face of huge obstacles and at great risk to himself. Those that admire him do so because of his deeds and what he accomplished. Those that hate him do so because their dogmatic, stone age values had been questioned, challenged and found to be wrong in this instance. Boy, do they hate that.

Shtebs

The Prophet 22;353606 wrote Did you know that this kind of thinking has gotten to the point that they want to pass laws that allow deaths of infants up to the age of two.

Really? Really? Come on Brent, that's beyond ridiculous. How about a citation of where in the Canadian legal code there are people trying to create a law to allow the deaths of infants up to the age of two. This is similar to the bullshit "death panel" crap people threw out when the state started their slow crawl towards universal health care. It was a lie and so is your statement quoted here.

trigs

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Milo

While I disagree with the Hitler comparison, Morgentaler was not a Saint, nor a hero, nor were his motives purely altruistic. Read this . . .

Morgentaler was a capitalist who saw an untapped market | Full Comment | National Post

My beliefs surrounding abortion are not "stone age", but I am not as sanguine as others seem to be over the fact that this country, alone among developed nations, has no laws regulating the termination of pregnancy. I do not blame Morgentaler for this, but our cowardly politicians.

All that being said, I do not plan on engaging in the verbal toing and froing that will no doubt continue without me.

Hang to Dry

Godwinned in 8.

We're getting slow without darb and fed, methinks.

DrTyore

Love how easy it is sometimes.

Am I the only one grinning at the fact that a male-dominated board is discussing abortions? Anyone? Anyone? How do the gentle masses feel about tampons vs. pads? Best suggestions for breast tenderness following feeding?

If you're a guy, you're an asshole if you're pro-life. If you pull the religion card, you're still an asshole, and hypocritical to boot.

If you're telling me that Morgantaler isn't deserving of praise and admiration for his work just because he saw money too? You're fucking living in a dream world.

Mark

kwsteve

Morgentaler survived the Holocaust. Most of his family were killed. Comparing him to Hitler is fucked, and shows a huge misunderstanding of the issue.

And as for the money thing, doctors make good money. No one usually has a problem with it. The RBC made $2Billion profit in the last 3 months, while firing Canadians and hiring Indians. Their CEO made something like $14Million last year. I think if Morgentaler wanted money without the hassle he would have gone into banking.

Milo

Comparing him to Hitler is indeed wrong . . . but the irony of his survival of the Holocaust, juxtaposed with what has been wrought by his crusade should not be dismissed out of hand. As a result of our lack of laws concerning abortion, we now have the following:

Sex selective abortions (why the Feminists are not screaming about this is beyond me)
Abortions due to medical infirmity of the fetus (Down's syndrome, Spina Bifida)
Abortions due to genetic disease markers (ALS, MS, CF)

This is the same sort of eugenics policy, the "weeding out" of the weak and feeble, that was fomented by the Nazis. Now, our former laws did need to be changed, but tell me again how this man is some sort of hero . . .

As for the money angle, it is not about Doctors making "good money", it is about how he set up shop and, through his activism, set about opening his "chain" of clinics across the country, all popularized by said crusade, and thus "cashing in".

http://ow.ly/lz00C

kwsteve

Well, the first eugenics policies were first implemented in early 20th century America. They were only adopted later by the Nazis so to compare Morgentaler to Nazis on that basis is still being disingenuous. Don't forget that it was only in 1972 that Alberta stopped practicing forced sterilization.

Secondly, blaming Morgentaler for choices other people make is absurd. He personally had nothing to do with the choices some people have made, other than giving them the ability to make a choice. And he shouldn't be condemned for that.

This is another case of the hypocrisy of the right. They will defend the gun manufacturers and say that they have no responsibility for the choices that some people make using their "tools." Yet, Morgentaler gets vilified for providing the "tool" for women to exercise freedom of choice over their own bodies. In both cases there is the death of a human life. In both cases, a supposedly responsible adult makes a choice. So, why do the right wing continue to defend guns and not abortion?

kwsteve

Milo;353643 wroteAs for the money angle, it is not about Doctors making "good money", it is about how he set up shop and, through his activism, set about opening his "chain" of clinics across the country, all popularized by said crusade, and thus "cashing in".

Death of Dr. Morgentaler : Prime time : SunNews Video Gallery

You can look at it as "cashing in." Or you can look at is as "capitalism at work." Or you can look at it as "providing a much needed service."