BB10, RIM and the future

compuease

So with the fast approaching BB10 launch (Jan 30th) and all the new devices on the horizon I thought it might be appropriate to have a thread to discuss, since we are all (well mostly anyways) Canadians and want to support homegrown technology right?

I assume most of you are aware of crackberry.com which is an independent website supporting Blackberry technology.

CrackBerry.com

I am a RIM supporter and while I'm not really anti Iwhatever, I do feel the whole Iphone arena is greatly overhyped...

What do you all think, will you be buying BB devices again? Or has the whole horrible RIM marketing, etc of the past 24 months just pissed you off too much?

The other interesting thing is what will happen to RIM shares.. I bought a significant amount last Dec at $12.10, they went to about $17. in Feb I think, then later drifted down to just under $8. I bought more at $8.20 averaging down my holdings to about $10. Now sitting at about $11.80. Where do they go from here?

My prediction as to what is going to make it or break it, is going to be at the enterprise level. This is what is key, not the individual users like you and I.. Reminds me a little of IBM on a smaller scale.. Dominated the market until the they tried to make devices to fit everyone form corporate to home (individual) user, got clobbered in the home market then retrenched and came back even stronger... I'm sure most of you don't realize how successful IBM is again since they really don't play in the home market. Hopefully RIM will retrench in a similar way... I'm betting on it.

Milo

All the tech articles seem pretty enthusiastic about these glasses that are coming down the pipe, but I think that sort of gear would be a big hurdle in terms of comfort level acceptance. I am admittedly somewhat of a Luddite, owning no cell-phone, or tablet, just a laptop that is a couple years old. But it suits my needs, so I do not care.

I am regularly amazed at what they are engineering almost daily in terms of consumer electronics, but I am also mindful that today's iPhone is likely to be tomorrow's Palm Pilot, and usually on purpose in order to recycle sales dollars.

compuease

Interesting preview video for those that haven't seen it..

RIM Blackberry 10 Gives User Balance, Bhardwaj Says: Video - Bloomberg

JimmyHo

cannot compete with Apple or Samsung; might hold on to business users for now. They are losing market share each quarter and have to turn this around to survive. They are losing money, which historically has never been the case. Their new products don't come out until after the holiday season. The stock is going up but nothing really to support this up swing (just hype). I won't buy it again until they start to make a profit and can increase their market share.

compuease

Holiday season has nothing to do with the business market, quite the opposite in fact, so strike down that argument.. Buy when the market is hot? Not what Buffet would do... Get in now, mark my words...

Have you read any of the factual stuff coming out, and I don't mean the physical phones..

[deleted]

I have family that works for RIM and have nothing against the company, but I think their product sucks ass, from their phones to their tablets

Also, when was the last time there was even any BB advertising?

Stock prices don't dictate worth to me; a quality product does, and blackberry simply doesn't have that right now, and they are getting killed by samsung and apple right now.

There's literally nothing that appeals to me about blackberry, their quality has always been very questionable, and they simply cant come up with technology that would make me interested in them over their competitors given how much they have fucking sucked the past 2 years.

JimmyHo

compuease;341508 wroteHoliday season has nothing to do with the business market, quite the opposite in fact, so strike down that argument.. Buy when the market is hot? Not what Buffet would do... Get in now, mark my words...

Have you read any of the factual stuff coming out, and I don't mean the physical phones..

I don't invest in companies that are losing money. RIM needs a home run or they will be swallowed by one of their comps. In the near future.

compuease

pokerJAH;341531 wroteI don't invest in companies that are losing money. RIM needs a home run or they will be swallowed by one of their comps. In the near future.

We'll see... I invest in companies that are good value with good upside... Since when did making money have anything to do with stock price..;)

RIM is my Joe Carter.

Would like to see other than Apple fan boys comment..

moose

When I worked for RIM and they were on top of their game, they worked on a 8 month life cycle and had 3 designs in the pipeline continuously. One phone in production, one in design and one in planning. 4 months between phones and 8 months btwn innovations.

Now, 2+ years to get BB10 out - ridiculous.

compuease

moose;341536 wroteWhen I worked for RIM and they were on top of their game, they worked on a 8 month life cycle and had 3 designs in the pipeline continuously. One phone in production, one in design and one in planning. 4 months between phones and 8 months btwn innovations.

Now, 2+ years to get BB10 out - ridiculous.

You do realize there is lot more to this than a phone don't you? Where did you work at RIM?

BrennerM

I use a BB for work (i have no choice) and I like the physical keyboard. That's it. In every other way, it is inferior to other smart phones. The web browser is awful. App selection is poor.

Last I heard, their first BB10 phone would not have a physical keyboard which IMO is their only advantage in the market. If that is true, that is simply a terrible business decision. Put out the phone with the physical keyboard FIRST in order to keep the people who like that option (and can't get it with the iPhone).

BrianS

Lol blackberries. It's not 2008 anymore. Smart phones got smart. Blackberries have barely advanced. Terrible terrible web browsing, barely any apps. 4 hour load power on times. Come on you can't be serious with them being able to compete with the apples, samsungs of the world.

Oh and the play book ......lolol

[deleted]

BrianS;341547 wroteLol blackberries. It's not 2008 anymore. Smart phones got smart. Blackberries have barely advanced. Terrible terrible web browsing, barely any apps. 4 hour load power on times. Come on you can't be serious with them being able to compete with the apples, samsungs of the world.

Oh and the play book ......lolol

lmao, this.

compuease

You guys (kids) are so stuck in the past. I look ahead... Just wait.. ;)

You have no idea how to evaluate future technology... Damn brainwashed Idevice dweebs...

And if you lol at the PB you have no idea how to use one or haven't tried.. For $100+ bucks there is nothing close...

moose

compuease;341537 wroteYou do realize there is lot more to this than a phone don't you? Where did you work at RIM?

I worked in Waterloo. Duh. You ask dumb questions.

How many companies have they licensed their software to? None. They are a phone company. Without a phone, having software is meaningless. They lost it on the app war when they decided to make life difficult for app developers, when they could have had people writing software for them for free. Once that happened they should have thrown their shit in with android and given up on developing software. Waiting for BB10 has killed their share of the most important marketplace in the world - USA.

Once corporations in the US decided they didn't really need the security of the Blackberry servers and starting allowing their employees to get the phones they wanted, it was over. No way Blackberry ever regains that exclusivity.

Their market was corporate. They lost that market. They tried to enter the consumer market. Crappy phones with crappy OS and no apps - no one in the US owns a Blackberry voluntarily.

SuperNed

BrennerM;341541 wroteI use a BB for work (i have no choice) and I like the physical keyboard. That's it. In every other way, it is inferior to other smart phones. The web browser is awful. App selection is poor.

Last I heard, their first BB10 phone would not have a physical keyboard which IMO is their only advantage in the market. If that is true, that is simply a terrible business decision. Put out the phone with the physical keyboard FIRST in order to keep the people who like that option (and can't get it with the iPhone).

I have to agree here. The keyboard was one of the things that differentiated it and without it they may lose a good portion of the die hards. I think the new release, and when it doesn't set the world on fire sales-wise, will be the final nail in the coffin. Without the keyboard, to the masses it's just going to be another more than likely inferior product in the already overcrowed space of touchscreen generic copies. If I owned the stock I'd be dumping it yesterday. Then again I wouldn't own AAPL at these much lower prices either. Cheap on multiple, but nowhere to go and the majority of innovation is over. You can only resell the same stuff to the izombies every six months so many times before they finally wise up.... :confused:

[deleted]

Interesting to see how this pans out

Comp, an elder, experienced tech "savvy" (Lulz) person, who also has financial interest in RIM vs. A bunch of people telling him he's wrong lol

SuperNed

costanza;341561 wroteInteresting to see how this pans out

Comp, an elder, experienced tech "savvy" (Lulz) person, who also has financial interest in RIM vs. A bunch of people telling him he's wrong lol

I have no question that from a tech standpoint comp knows his stuff so I'm not sure what the Lulz is all about. The problem is these days 'tech' rides waves and fads, and far too many people have turned against RIM for the to ever turn it around. Apple will be the same way once everyone figures out they have nothing more innovative to offer. I mean an ipad 'mini'? Gimme a break. Then a thinner mini next? Then an Iphone maxi? The run is over. Anyone remember when IBM's were the desktop of choice and every other brand was referred to as a clone (early 80's)? 'Smartphones' are heading down that same path, they'll be like SD cards soon enough...basically a commodity. RIM has a slight chance (stock) if it is acquired by Microsoft or...well I can't really think of who else might want to take them out (and probably not even Microsoft anymore), but otherwise I really think the thing that made them stand out (security, keyboard) is in most people's mind gone. The media is just salivating waiting to crucify RIM if they don't hit it out of the park too...which won't help.

piggypie123

edit.

JimmyHo

Btw, I'm not an Apple boy (bitch) :). I rather see a Canadian company do well but haven't met a person that has bought a RIM product in the last two years.