Dead Pool IV - the return of Zsa Zsa

ddmilcan

JohnnieH;340284 wroteNo, I mind. If you're not in the Pool then shut the fuck up.

We were forced into making changes to the rules this year b/c of the angle shooting that occurred. Not because we are 'lame'

IMO, The GBoWR is NOT a legitimate source for picks. I hate the idea of someone having notoriety just because they lived the longest or have the World's Longest Penis. Who gives a shit?

A CELEBRITY must have done something substantial to warrant their FAME. Thats why we have categories for picks. (Like Music or Politics) The easiest way avoid somebody making a questionable pick is too eliminate the 'misc' category.

but... I rail the love affair with JohnnieH and ZSA ZSA

Milton Slim;)

DrTyore

Milo;340283 wroteNot by this year's rules

Which caused some complaint among the players . . .

Which ones are giving you trouble?

I find it curious that the majority of people complaining are not even playing. The folks involved do not seem to mind (Mole excepted).

I'd wager many aren't in because it's become too much effort / complication.

Well, myself at least.

Mark

Jacen299

Milo;340283 wroteNot by this year's rules

Which caused some complaint among the players . . .

Which ones are giving you trouble?

I find it curious that the majority of people complaining are not even playing. The folks involved do not seem to mind (Mole excepted).

Don't the rules say can't pick oldest people? I googled that besse name came up and she is eligible?

I don't see in the rules where it sats how many rounds the draft goes.

My comments are not complaints. I plan on entering. Zsa zsa top of my list. How is the draft order determined?

wildbill7145

DrTyore;340292 wroteI'd wager many aren't in because it's become too much effort / complication.

Well, myself at least.

Mark

I don't necessarily think we're losing many for this reason. Some for sure, but I'm sure we can work all of this out with consensus at some point and alleviate any potential frustration. I think we went through all of these issues with this years pool, which as I remember almost didn't happen. We survived and tweaking is occurring. As the DP continues, I'm sure we'll change it a little bit each year to smooth things out.

I reiterate that there is no need to reinvent the wheel, and no need to kill this thing with complication. DP's have been running for years, and we're not alone in trying to work out the same issues everyone else has already worked out and continues to do so.

The Ghoul Pool
has been using the linked criterion for celeb status since 2010. It's one of the largest dead pools on the net.

Click on "Rules" link in the top left corner. They've got a reasonable measure of celeb status detailed. We could add various other media sources if we felt it necessary.

wildbill7145

Jacen299;340293 wroteDon't the rules say can't pick oldest people? I googled that besse name came up and she is eligible?

I don't see in the rules where it sats how many rounds the draft goes.

My comments are not complaints. I plan on entering. Zsa zsa top of my list. How is the draft order determined?

This year we went 15 rounds, thus 15 team members per roster. Check the DPIII team list thread first page for more information.

I think Milo enters names to a hat or something simple like that to determine draft order.

Pick Zsa Zsa and this succubus will drive you mad as she has others in the past. Don't let her siren's song lure you into her grasp. You'll regret it, if what's left of your mind allows you regret.

Jacen299

JohnnieH;340284 wroteNo, I mind. If you're not in the Pool then shut the fuck up.

We were forced into making changes to the rules this year b/c of the angle shooting that occurred. Not because we are 'lame'

IMO, The GBoWR is NOT a legitimate source for picks. I hate the idea of someone having notoriety just because they lived the longest or have the World's Longest Penis. Who gives a shit?

A CELEBRITY must have done something substantial to warrant their FAME. Thats why we have categories for picks. (Like Music or Politics) The easiest way avoid somebody making a questionable pick is too eliminate the 'misc' category.

I would as bad as it sounds add more rules. I would put more payout categories. $91+ $3. 100+$1. If someone wants to pick the oldest of farts. gl.
I still like idea of an under 30 category. and a mandetory pick from that range.
I've seen in other death pools payouts if death occurs on 13th of month double payout. If death on last day of pool 4x. If death is not by natural causes, like OD or accident, 3x payout.
Having said all that, it seems simplicity is the way most want to go.

Jacen299

wildbill7145;340295 wroteThis year we went 15 rounds, thus 15 team members per roster. Check the DPIII team list thread first page for more information.

I think Milo enters names to a hat or something simple like that to determine draft order.

Pick Zsa Zsa and this succubus will drive you mad as she has others in the past. Don't let her siren's song lure you into her grasp. You'll regret it, if what's left of your mind allows you regret.

Tell me more about this regret word?

JohnnieH

Jacen299;340296 wroteI would as bad as it sounds add more rules. I would put more payout categories. $91+ $3. 100+$1. If someone wants to pick the oldest of farts. gl.
I still like idea of an under 30 category. and a mandetory pick from that range.
I've seen in other death pools payouts if death occurs on 13th of month double payout. If death on last day of pool 4x. If death is not by natural causes, like OD or accident, 3x payout.
Having said all that, it seems simplicity is the way most want to go.

It's already to easy to forget a certain payout, let alone throw in a few more of your wacky ideas. We have had enough discussion on the matter, and since the CPF Dead Pool was my idea, I'm going to make a ruling on this:

THE PAYOUT STRUCTURE WILL REMAIN THE SAME FOR 2013.

What needs to be discussed is the whole notion of celebrity and how it's judged. I have already stated my opinion. I'd like to hear from other DP mangers (and those who will sign up for '13) on this, please.

Jacen299

JohnnieH;340308 wrote
What needs to be discussed is the whole notion of celebrity and how it's judged. I have already stated my opinion. I'd like to hear from other DP mangers (and those who will sign up for '13) on this, please.

Do you really want to discuss it or will you just put your foot down and make a ruling? I'll wait for the official rules you deem fit and go with that.

My payout ideas were meant to rectify the celeb status problem, if someone is angle shooting picking someone so old, let them have at it and pay them minimal.

What was the 2012 angle? Is it that difficult to remember the payouts that are listed in a thread anyway.

The 27 yr old payout idea seems a waste. no one is picking a 27 yr old, so eliminate it, one less payout to remember.

I think the common opinion is they want the more known celebrity (Bieber Lohan) picked rather then someone that was on their death bed when selected. Find a way that makes people pick younger. If not by payout structure. How about your 15 picks can only total 1000 years old?

Hobbes

The angle was a deathrow inmate with no appeals left

Jacen299

Hobbes;340310 wroteThe angle was a deathrow inmate with no appeals left

Clever.... pay the man his monies!

Milo

Jacen299;340293 wroteDon't the rules say can't pick oldest people? I googled that besse name came up and she is eligible?

I don't see in the rules where it sats how many rounds the draft goes.

My comments are not complaints. I plan on entering. Zsa zsa top of my list. How is the draft order determined?

The Besse pick is part of what caused the brouhaha at the beginning of this year's Pool, and that is why we have codified what constitutes a "legit" celebrity for DP IV. This year, Besse would not make the cut. The rules you saw posted at the start of this thread are what Managers are expected to abide by, and the vetting period after the draft will assist in that.

As for the Draft itself, it proceeds like the NHL Draft (1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1) until one Manager's roster is depleted (both through his own selections and other Manager's having duplicate picks - only ONE of you gets Zsa Zsa). As for how the order is determined that is a closely guarded secret . . . moreso even then the Caramilk secret. Rest assured it is random and above board. The rumour that my cats are somehow involved is a fabrication.

Milo

JohnnieH;340308 wrote.

What needs to be discussed is the whole notion of celebrity and how it's judged. I have already stated my opinion. I'd like to hear from other DP mangers (and those who will sign up for '13) on this, please.

Not a Manager, but I hope you will abide . . . the reason I suggested the "vetting period" after the final rosters are determined is so that the Managers involved can come to an agreement on the "celebs" on each roster. We have had an eclectic mix in the three years this has run. A very famous, if little known outside his field, architect always seems to show up on a couple lists, as well as musicians in genres that are particular to a given Manager.

I know it is frustrating to see the "chirping" from the sidelines, but it is nothing that has not already been posted previous . . . mundanely repetitive though it might be. Relax, Johnnie, we will have at least 6-8 like always, and the bodies will start cooling in good time.

Milo

Jacen299;340309 wrote
The 27 yr old payout idea seems a waste. no one is picking a 27 yr old, so eliminate it, one less payout to remember.

Don't tell that to whomever won with Winehouse . . .

Jacen299

Milo;340340 wroteDon't tell that to whomever won with Winehouse . . .

ok One time. what' the saying with blind squirrels and nuts?

Milo

Jacen299;340342 wroteok One time. what' the saying with blind squirrels and nuts?

They're worth $20.00 . . . at least to these nuts.

5 Managers so far.

JohnnieH

Jacen299;340311 wroteClever.... pay the man his monies!

It may have been clever, but the victim wasn't really a celeb, just a murderer who was sentenced to be executed early in '12. The manager who made the pick clearly knew that it was a sly move that would piss everyone else off. After the uproar (he made DataMn say 'fucking') he agreed to void that pick and we agreed to let him keep his other sketchy picks.

We had to amend the rules so shit like that wouldn't happen again. We had 2 good years without controversy anyhow.

Milo-the architect always shows up b/c we all Google the same Dead Pool web sites and he is always at the top of the list. I'm still not sure if he would qualify under our rules.

Milo

Niemeyer? I would vote yes . . . his accomplishments are huge, but whatever . . . that is the whole point of the vetting period . . . to come to a consensus. Sort of like your Band of Brothers question. Were they famous because of the show? Or because of what they did IRL?

I have a feeling the new kid has a couple of sites that maybe no one has been to yet . . .

TheMill

FFS Can't we just bet on people leaving this world for the next? The vetting period is a fair way of dealing with any questionable picks. I'm more than sure that all mangers will be scrutinizing other teams. As long as it is fair and not one group ganging up on others. Milo IMO has done a bang up job thus far moderating the DP( outta the goodness of his heart) and I'm more than cool with him trucking this baby on through 2013.

Jacen, you seem to be asking alot of questions. Will you be fielding a team? If so let your picks do the talking. Other than that the "new" ( I have no idea who you are) guy throwing out all sorts of new rules isn't winning anyone over, maybe you disagree. It's your choice to play. If you don't like the rules then don't play. But for the record I'd like to see some new blood in this death pool.

Jacen299

TheMill;340391 wroteFFS Can't we just bet on people leaving this world for the next? The vetting period is a fair way of dealing with any questionable picks. I'm more than sure that all mangers will be scrutinizing other teams. As long as it is fair and not one group ganging up on others. Milo IMO has done a bang up job thus far moderating the DP( outta the goodness of his heart) and I'm more than cool with him trucking this baby on through 2013.

Jacen, you seem to be asking alot of questions. Will you be fielding a team? If so let your picks do the talking. Other than that the "new" ( I have no idea who you are) guy throwing out all sorts of new rules isn't winning anyone over, maybe you disagree. It's your choice to play. If you don't like the rules then don't play. But for the record I'd like to see some new blood in this death pool.

I agree pick WTF (whoever) you want, the person still has to die. Next world not sure about that, that's another can of worms. I agree the vetting period is the perfect resolution.

I've stated earlier that I intend on entering. I already have a list of 65 to tweak. There might be one name that anyone might find controversial, doubtful anyone has issue with my squad. The questions and comments is only out of interest. But it seems to get some people's backs up, why so?

Am I the so called new kid?

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