blackmagicz;337836 wroteSo in a super loose game sitting with people who have oodles of money throwing around you don't think you're range is going to fair better against random hands. I mean on a 6 high board you get shoved on by someone who limp calls your bet in position and you give them credit for a nut hand?
If that is the case in this particular game I am sitting waiting for aces or kings. Just seems like raise folding will bleed you.
How would you approach a loose game in that instance? I want to see what I can do differently to play against cannons lol.
Had to edit my post slightly cause I was hasty when I wrote it scanning my phone bored at work wishing I was playing poker ;).
No I'm not giving them credit for a nut hand but definitely better than 2 over cards. People are not bluffing you as much as you think.
You say the game is loose and the stacks are deep. Fine, but is it loose passive calling station or loose aggressive? If players on your left are loose aggressive maniacs who can raise, 3bet and 4bet light or put you to the test over and over by bluffing I would seriously consider leaving the game. In fact I would leave that game. They will cause you fits. Games like that are not profitable for the most part in my experience. If the game is the former though than I would stay as long as possible and even use tooth picks to keep my eyes open if necessary. I'm talking in generalities according to the way I would play at a juicy loose passive table.
As far as AK preflop oop I would often just call in that spot and see what comes on the flop. I prefer to raise with it suited when in position cause I can take control of the hand a lot easier than oop. If I pair I can bet out to protect my equity and get worse to call if the board is wet. I sometimes check to induce. Or if the board is very dry say Q 7 2 than I would bet to try and take it down. Board texture is very important on what I do. You have three streets of poker to get value and to find out when your hand is no good. If you hit your top pair than bet for value on every street and fold to a loose passives aggression. Especially all in on the flop. Wait for a better opportunity to play for stacks. Folding is part of the game as well as bet folding when you are beat.
Another point is that preflop you have a 1 in 3 chance to hit your hand. So betting your stack to win 1 to 1 is not profitable. AK is a powerful hand in tournaments when the stacks are shallow and you have fold equity. Calling all in with AK preflop with over 100bb stacks is suicide. You're killed by QQ, KK or AA and an 84% underdog. I know that's not what you did but I'm trying to say why a lot of people think AK is so strong and you see people playing for stacks with it before the flop a lot in cash games. It's a huge mistake.
In deep stack poker you simply can't call an all in on the flop with this hand either when you hit top pair. Now I'm not saying never but you have to worry about sets or two pair. Far more often than not you are beat. If it's only two overcards you have 6 outs to beat a flopped pair. You are an 77% underdog against a hand like 86s on a 6 high board. If the flop comes 842 and someone has A2s you are an 85% underdog with AK and a smart opponent may have put you on exactly that because you 3bet. Run some poker stoves for different hand ranges.
Suffice to say, in deep stack games you play on every street betting for value and folding to aggression without the nuts or close to the nuts. Making your disciplined folds will win you a lot of money in the long run. I also think its wise to try to play tighter in loose games and lag it up in tight games. Good Luck.