Ahmadinejad speech at Columbia University

800OVER

"We are discussing the validity of the holocaust "

You're serious? What part of the Holocaust is up for a validity discussion?

And it's the Holocaust" please capitalize it, it's a proper noun.

Ex: "Holocaust denier" is someone who denies the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis. It is also used to describe people who minimize or distort the facts of the Holocaust.

800OVER

darbday;326150 wrote
I do not believe in race.

You don't understand the meaning of the word believe. Here I'll show you: You don't believe in spelling. That's not correct is it? You do believe it exists....you just don't let it bog you down.....I think that's what you're going for here.

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800OVER;326151 wrote"We are discussing the validity of the holocaust "

You're serious? What part of the Holocaust is up for a validity discussion?

Well I guess you would have to discuss its entirety?

And it's the Holocaust" please capitalize it, it's a proper noun.

:confused:

Ex: "Holocaust denier" is someone who denies the death of millions of Jews at the hands of the Nazis. It is also used to describe people who minimize or distort the facts of the Holocaust.

Ya this won't be the definition in every country in the world thats my point.

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800OVER;326153 wroteYou don't understand the meaning of the word believe. Here I'll show you: You don't believe in spelling. That's not correct is it? You do believe it exists....you just don't let it bog you down.....I think that's what you're going for here.

I don't not believe it means you are above or below another person, I see darker skin tones and different features but they don't mean anything.

I have no idea what you are why you are trying to imply things, I'm not racist...its clear.

800OVER

darbday;326148 wrotewe aren't quite at this part yet, but I understand your view....and I accept it...as long as your not calling me rasict because I'm not and I think its terrible to call someone that especially if unwarranted.

As for your paragraph, 2 things.

First we are trying to under the rest of the world's point of view, the people on the other side of the coin. Are they really lunatics or are they human and have valid points too?

Are we always just and sane, or do we have crazy unfair traditions too?

2nd if I'm right then you are conditioned to become emotional every time someone brings up the holocaust. I know all my peers do. They go nuts, everyone I know does. But none of them actual know what happened. None of them know what Israel is, or Iran. None of them know the factors leading up to both world wars.

Obviously many people are more educated than that...but I can tell you for sure everyone has an emotional based opinion on the holocaust. And emotion and logical don't go hand in hand (watch the passion of the Christ)

Notice HipHop snap posts a satire of my video, doesn't even stop to realize it was written and produced by Jewish comedians.

Also you should watch the video, because its your intro into hearing both sides of the story.

Say it happened.
Type the words.
The Holocausts isn't a "crazy unfair tradition".
Millions of innocent Jews were killed by the Nazis in one of the most evil events in the history of the world (along with many others).

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800OVER;326156 wroteSay it happened.
Type the words.
The Holocausts isn't a "crazy unfair tradition".
Millions of innocent Jews were killed by the Nazis in one of the most evil events in the history of the world (along with many others).

Yes like the genocide of the native indians, that we don't learn about in school, and is still going on today.

Only nobody disputes this.

800OVER

darbday;326154 wroteWell I guess you would have to discuss its entirety?

:confused:

Ya this won't be the definition in every country in the world thats my point.

Again you don't understand the word. An event in history doesn't have "VALIDITY". IT occurred.

You don't understand capitalization? You capitalize Christ easily enough. Holocaust not holocaust.

In what country is the definition of a Holocaust denier different?

800OVER

darbday;326157 wrote
Only nobody disputes this.

DO you?

compuease

Trollers gonna troll...

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800OVER;326158 wroteAgain you don't understand the word. An event in history doesn't have "VALIDITY". IT occurred.

This is why we covered some events in the other thread that were hidden through history, lost civilizations found because their history was purposefully buried. History has already lied to us, we know that, its common knowledge. We've found civilization that other civilizations tried to bury through wiping historical records, destroying their churches, killing their kings, capture their wives and children and enslaving them.

And yes we constantly study events in history to judge their accuracy, why not the Holocaust.

You don't understand capitalization? You capitalize Christ easily enough. Holocaust not holocaust.

I don't think I have to worry about what words you want me to put a capital on. christ, hows that? christ is a spelling error holocaust is not, so i leave it. i don't believe in proper punctuation anyways we know that.

In what country is the definition of a Holocaust denier different?

Well thats why I think you should watch the video. Its every country on the other side of the war I would guess?

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800OVER;326159 wroteDO you?

I already stated I think there needs to be independent and objective research done.

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compuease;326160 wroteTrollers gonna troll...

Ya but its weird cause on the other hand I participate frequently in the strat thread and I'm not actually a troll at all.

How about grown men name calling because they don't like someone's opinion?

Cerberus

I don't know what school you went to, but I sure as hell remember being taught about aboriginal peoples being slaughtered to the point that entire bands (I think that's the right word, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) were wiped off the face of the Earth. There was no denying of it. However, the part I learned in school was "many people died." The rest of the information, I GOT FROM MY PARENTS WHEN I ASKED THEM QUESTIONS.

crazykoby

The worse kind!!

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Cerberus;326164 wroteI don't know what school you went to, but I sure as hell remember being taught about aboriginal peoples being slaughtered to the point that entire bands (I think that's the right word, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) were wiped off the face of the Earth. There was no denying of it. However, the part I learned in school was "many people died." The rest of the information, I GOT FROM MY PARENTS WHEN I ASKED THEM QUESTIONS.

Your parents learned under the same education system you did

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crazykoby;326165 wroteThe worse kind!!

No the worse kind would be someone who calls people prejudice that are defenders and not prejudice. That would be terrible.

Its not racist to suggest the holocaust needs inquiry, but I understand you've been conditioned to tune out and call it that.

"Your a rasict, I'm not listening"

compuease

darbday;326163 wroteYa but its weird cause on the other hand I participate frequently in the strat thread and I'm not actually a troll there at all.

FYP, and agreed.

darbday;326163 wrote How about grown men name calling because they don't like someone's opinion?

Guilty conscience? What makes you think I meant you are the troll?

Cerberus

darbday;326166 wroteYour parents learned under the same education system you did

Darb, you've said this several times now. It doesn't make it more true when you repeat it. My parents are independant thinkers. They learned many things from school, but they learned more from their parents and from, GASP, going out and finding things out for themselves.

If you're going to make baseless statements that are only backed up by your own thoughts on the education system, rather than actual facts (i.e. you somehow had a bunch of cameras hooked up a la The Truman Show and watched my entire life as it unfolded), do it to someone else. Me, I'm just gonna call you on your bullshit.

Shtebs

People people. Quit feeding Darb's narcissism and stop responding. You'll notice that he was getting antsy after his first post in this thread when he didn't get a bunch of shocked responses to this clearly inflammatory clip so he posted again openly asking for people to post.
The man (boy? not meant as an insult, I don't actually know him) clearly thrives on conspiracy theories and idiotic concepts simply because it puts his views at odds with most level headed people. This gives him a chance to "educate" regardless of the topic. Someone that loves the sound of his own voice will not stop before you. You will notice a recurring theme in his posts:
-Darb is always right, even when he only has admittedly marginal experience studying a particular issue or point
-Darb has different definitions for words. This allows him to avoid being wrong in his mind
-Darb is privy to insight and knowledge that most of the people in the world do not have
-He will never EVER concede even the most marginal of errors he has made because he has yet to make one in any discussion on here yet.
-He demands evidence or credantials before he will give us credit for our contributions. Even then he dismisses it all out of hand.
I mean, I could go on an on and on but I'm not Darb so I'll cut it off there.
The best solution is to let him make his non poker posts and not get fished in by his cries for attention. Who knows, if we stop feeding the troll he might just stop trolling?
my 2 cents

800OVER

darbday;326161 wroteThis is why we covered some events in the other thread that were hidden through history, lost civilizations found because their history was purposefully buried. History has already lied to us, we know that, its common knowledge. We've found civilization that other civilizations tried to bury through wiping historical records, destroying their churches, killing their kings, capture their wives and children and enslaving them.

And yes we constantly study events in history to judge their accuracy, why not the Holocaust.

I don't think I have to worry about what words you want me to put a capital on. christ, hows that? christ is a spelling error holocaust is not, so i leave it. i don't believe in proper punctuation anyways we know that.

Well thats why I think you should watch the video. Its every country on the other side of the war I would guess?

Actually we don't study events to judge their accuracy at all.....ever. We can study records to see if they are accurate. See the difference? I don't study your birthday party to see if it is accurate....do you not see how that makes no sense? I could try and find out if peoples recollection of your birthday was accurate. But I'd have to come up with some kind of test that has validity. See the difference?

But again no answers.....you're trying very hard not to answer anything. You're doing well. In fact as well as heir Presidente did in the video you posted. You still haven't told us whether or not the Holocaust happened. When you write the first paragraph....you imply that you have questions about the truth of the Holocaust. But if you don't, just say so. Don't you see how someone who doesn't know you and how much you love Jews (but you don't because you don't see race) would think that you could be minimizing the Holocaust?

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