pokerJAH;310151 wroteI likely call in this spot and see what the initial raiser does. If he just calls and I miss the turn, then I revaluate based on subsequent bets. If either of these guys had boats on the flop, would they want to chase you out of the hand?
So you discount the odds on the turn after you call a min raise flop bet and fold to the turn based on another bet?
I think you can look deeper into this hand specifically and figure out how many 4X combos the villian would be playing and especially in a limped pot pre its hard to determine what card on the turn is going to help you.
Bet size on turn is not as important as what hand range you give your opponent as in this case it is clear that villian has a 4 and we just need to figure out the other hole card.
As an example I will assign 24,34,45,46,47,a4 as hand holdings to start.
So with that in mind if I call a min raise on the flop and any other card comes on the turn other than those specific ranges I am most likely calling any bet if I believe villian doesn't not have a full house either flopped or made on the turn.
He has already made a dumb min raise on the flop so most likely the bet sizing on the turn will be messed as well giving us 4,5,6-1 to make the call etc.
Even worse is if villian pot bets the turn because for sure now you know he hasn't hit the turn and still has a naked 4 and with certain effective stacks and players it is worth it to call a pot bet on the turn knowing very well if you hit the river you are getting paid by most 4s because they can't fold. (Especially if they bet the turn)