I learned something on this one it think.....

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I'm not really down with my shove here but with the players and the stack sizes its close.

But the utg1 fold was intersting....it just made me think about being at a million dollar ft...raising 99% of your stack and folding to jump up two payspots with a couple chips left...

seems legit?

Poker Stars, $3.19 + $0.31 NL Hold'em Tournament, 4,000/8,000 Blinds, 800 Ante, 8 Players

BB: 115,649
UTG: 130,539
UTG+1: 17,346
MP1: 165,000
MP2: 37,794
CO: 180,248
JodaB. (BTN): 73,352
SB: 179,572

Pre-Flop: (18,400) 2

dealt to JodaB. (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to 16,000, 2 folds, CO raises to 24,000, JodaB. raises to 72,552 and is All-In, SB folds, BB raises to 114,849 and is All-In, UTG+1 folds, CO calls 90,849

jdAA88

lol wow, absurd fold

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jdAA88;309319 wrotelol wow, absurd fold

how would you feel though if it was the sunday mill ft and you were utg with like a4o? Although I'm loose here, the iso/overcaller is sometimes folding AK, and the over shover is going to be strong.

compuease

misclick fold?

jdAA88

darbday;309323 wrotehow would you feel though if it was the sunday mill ft and you were utg with like a4o? Although I'm loose here, the iso/overcaller is sometimes folding AK, and the over shover is going to be strong.

yeah I'd consider folding then for sure to move up a few spots..

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jdAA88;309329 wroteyeah I'd consider folding then for sure to move up a few spots..

then in new school icm poker shouldn't we always be leaving ourselves some chips behind when we shove?

Richard~

darbday;309338 wrotethen in new school icm poker shouldn't we always be leaving ourselves some chips behind when we shove?

no, it's probably not +EV

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Richard~;309339 wroteno, it's probably not +EV

i can tell how many levels you meant in this statement but I see at least two...

you didn't state the kind of ev

so ya its not +cev but maybe its +$ev if you are utg and 5 tight (final table) players that cover each other jam in front of you?

Richard~

maybe, but that's so specific that the possability of you disconnecting and losing your tournament for nothing is probably weighting in harder lol. In the example given sure utg+1 have a chance to move up two spots but if no one busts he'll just sit there crying without chips.

I'm not sure you're implying that utg+1 made a good fold but I seriously doubt that is the case. Feel free to try to quantify it with math

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Richard~;309353 wrotemaybe, but that's so specific that the possability of you disconnecting and losing your tournament for nothing is probably weighting in harder lol.

ok just live ftw :p

Richard~;309353 wroteI'm not sure you're implying that utg+1 made a good fold but I seriously doubt that is the case. Feel free to try to quantify it with math

I can't show it, I think it needs cards runners program...but it might not be quite right here, I'm certainly curious....but theres gonna be a threshold for sure that makes it optimal I think.

So maybe we rarely fold but that we should be leaving ourselves the option????

Richard~

if you really thought it was +EV you wouldn't start talking about doing it on the final table of the million :P

Vekked

if you were at the sunday mill FT and you raise/f'd <2.5BB I would slit your throat

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Vekked;309425 wroteif you were at the sunday mill FT and you raise/f'd <2.5BB I would slit your throat

ya but i'd punch myself in the face if I coulda folded and won like 60k more ....instead of going 4way with like a3o

well maybe thats not as bad but what if six people went all in???