How's this?

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3 other winning regs at my table...

Poker Stars, $2.28 + $0.22 NL Hold'em Tournament, 125/250 Blinds, 25 Ante, 9 Players

JodaB. (UTG): 4,483
UTG+1: 1,040
UTG+2: 2,775
MP1: 2,930
MP2: 5,976
CO: 3,605
BTN: 920
SB: 3,818
BB: 4,595

Pre-Flop: (600) J

dealt to JodaB. (UTG)
JodaB. raises to 1,937 ???

reibs

dont like, i just dunno why we need to do this

am i missing something?

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reibs;307614 wrotedont like, i just dunno why we need to do this

am i missing something?

wwyd?

reibs

probably fold pre.

If I were MP, I prob min it.

Im really interested though to figure out why you did this

Edit: do you remember which stacks the regs were?

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reibs;307712 wroteprobably fold pre.

If I were MP, I prob min it.

Im really interested though to figure out why you did this

Edit: do you remember which stacks the regs were?

i don't think stacks/players matters, but my assumption is jamming pre is +ev ???

HammerDad

Obviously you are raising enough to commit to a shove from another player as folding now is out of the question.

IMO we are trying to ISO the BB, however, should anyone tag along I see a lot negative implied odds as we will have to shove any flop to take the side pot and will likely never be called by worse. Shove 20bb's pre here is also bad.

I think raising to 600-750 and hoping to play UTG+2 and BB is likely going to get the same results vs committing our stack. If one of reg's sniff this iso out, they call you light and you'll be OOP and committed.

reibs

Really TJs 18bb utg is +EV?

I wouldn't have guessed that. <------ Me realizing how much more time I need to put into stove/nash

windbreaker

Ugly. So we raise so much to guarantee that we will always get it in bad preflop vs the field. Risk way too high for reward way too low.

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reibs;307727 wroteReally TJs 18bb utg is +EV?

I wouldn't have guessed that. <------ Me realizing how much more time I need to put into stove/nash

no no no....you can't take my word for it tho.... i dunno

windbreaker;307728 wroteUgly. So we raise so much to guarantee that we will always get it in bad preflop vs the field. Risk way too high for reward way too low.

so you just fold pre prob?

reibs

darbday;307733 wroteno no no....you can't take my word for it tho.... i dunno

I will let you know what I come up with when I play around w it tonite.

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HammerDad;307723 wroteObviously you are raising enough to commit to a shove from another player as folding now is out of the question.

IMO we are trying to ISO the BB, however, should anyone tag along I see a lot negative implied odds as we will have to shove any flop to take the side pot and will likely never be called by worse. Shove 20bb's pre here is also bad.

I think raising to 600-750 and hoping to play UTG+2 and BB is likely going to get the same results vs committing our stack. If one of reg's sniff this iso out, they call you light and you'll be OOP and committed.

yes i def can't fold after this or on any flop...im somewhat commited even with a min raise tho to some stacks and a min raise might let in extra players with weaker pairs. As for picking me off, i don't think anyone here is capable. They might say hey forboon doesn't have AA or KK but he prob has AQ or 99 ish .....i think theyll give me too much credit and fold hands they should call/jam.

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JTs UTG tho.......

windbreaker

This is a fold pre most of the time. Even if you find a situation where you can find an option that's not a fold...raising like 40% of your stack in this situation can never be the best option.

HammerDad

costanza;307742 wroteJTs UTG tho.......

If it makes it through to the BB he is likely ahead of BB range or flipping.

BB has to play ATC as they have too much of their stack invested.

IMO, the bet does seem like an ISO raise. Whether or not you run into a hand is irrelevent at this point. We are committed to play the hand. We aren't likely to have worse than 30% equity vs most hands we are behind. If we run into JJ or something, well that sucks but we still have draws.

I would much prefer to be HJ or better here though.

Richard~

HammerDad;307747 wrote
BB has to play ATC as they have too much of their stack invested.

I don't think you're looking at the right thread

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Richard~;307751 wroteI don't think you're looking at the right thread

so glad you said that i thought maybe i wasn't looking at the right thread :-\

HammerDad

Richard~;307751 wroteI don't think you're looking at the right thread

doh, BTN is the small stack.....I am just back from vacation, my brain is still adjusting...

I still think it isn't brutal. BB isn't likely going to be calling light as we've invested so much. Should the BTN call we are likely flipping vs their range (Ax, Kx type hands).

It isn't a move I would do often, but it does balance our UTG range a touch and having 3 regs at the table that may help us down the road.

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HammerDad;307758 wrote it does balance our UTG range a touch and having 3 regs at the table that may help us down the road.

actually this kind of unbalances our ranges because we aren't likely doing this with any really strong hand

HammerDad

darbday;307761 wroteactually this kind of unbalances our ranges because we aren't likely doing this with any really strong hand

You think?

If we are always ISO raising with premium hands UTG, wouldn't that become predictable? Although, whether or not predictable is relevent is questionable as we committed so much here we can't fold anyway.

Again, I don't mind the raise to try and ISO, but I personally wouldn't raise to commit with J10. <20bb UTG with this hand is probably going to be a fold more often then not.

At least you didn't limp...lol