HammerDad;293202 wrote1 and 3 are push and hope we don't run into a hand.
Hand 2 I agree with Vekked. I fold. Yes we are short stacked, but so are most other players. It is unlikely we have the best hand and UTG, I would tighten up my range and hope two other players can get it in and we move up the money ladder.
reibs asked me what my utg range was and I told him I couldn't answer and he'd have to post to ask others ;p
reason being there are so many factors that are in the air, meaning the math isn't really accounted for in any books.
my utg range could go from like 17% to atc 10bbs with antes...which i would love to say the math says thats bs but ive cross referenced it with many sit n go turbo type pros and their results fuels the math....
so here i do think that icm will say fold...but the other thought is once we go through the blinds we are left with 6ishbbs and if we are pre empted (can't shove for a hand or two because of previous shovers), and the blinds go up..we are pretty much down to zero bbs.
also doubling up has a raise fold edge thats huge...if we know how to use a big stack players give an extreme amount of chips out by folding too much and never playing back light.
^^ maybe thats crazy talk thou
also that if we had a little less chips like 6-7 bbs i might likely shove any two suited ish....
the assumption here too is that players are all randoms....
edit: also our leading card is a club
